Ladakh Flash Point


Abominable

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How vegetarian are Indian soldiers? Being vegan has been know in the strength community as a lost cause. Sure its possible but it takes a lot of supplements and planning compared to just eating meat and carbs. Meat is by far the most bio potent and easily digestible for building and maintaining muscles. I have never seen a piece of meat pass my digesting system undigested. I did had that happen to things like peanuts and other vegetables etc.
I suspect it isn't just being vegetarian but malnutrition overall, especially during childhood.

By the way, TMI!
 

Mohsin77

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Being vegan has been know in the strength community as a lost cause.

Not true.

There are many athletes performing at the highest level of sports (including powerlifting) that are vegan. I held this incorrect belief too until I watched that documentary produced by Novak Djokovic, Lewis Hamilton and the frekkin Terminator himself:


I had no idea there were so many athletes that were vegan, even in sports like the 100m sprint, which are pure fast-twitch muscle sports. The ultimate test of any diet is athletic performance. That is the only definitive empirical proof that the diet can work at the highest level and vegan diets have passed that test.

I've been trying out a vegan diet for about 6 months for environmental reasons (not every day, like 5 days a week), and my fitness level has increased. On the days I eat meat I feel more sluggish during workouts, versus my vegan days. But even beyond fitness, reducing meat intake is simply better for the environment. You can't have 7 billion people eating meat every day and have a sustainable ecosystem.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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How vegetarian are Indian soldiers? Being vegan has been know in the strength community as a lost cause. Sure its possible but it takes a lot of supplements and planning compared to just eating meat and carbs. Meat is by far the most bio potent and easily digestible for building and maintaining muscles. I have never seen a piece of meat pass my digesting system undigested. I did had that happen to things like peanuts and other vegetables etc.
See earlier reply.

Indians don't have a problem with vegetarianism. They have a problem with straight up not enough food.

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, 25% less calories than Chinese (2990 calories).

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. The average Indian is actually under starvation.

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See earlier reply.

Indians don't have a problem with vegetarianism. They have a problem with straight up not enough food.

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, 25% less calories than Chinese (2990 calories).

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. The average Indian is actually under starvation.

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So you are telling me that India is not investing to its human capital?

Music to my ears. May the Great Modi rule India for another 20 years
 

BlackWindMnt

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Not true.

There are many athletes performing at the highest level of sports (including powerlifting) that are vegan. I held this incorrect belief too until I watched that documentary produced by Novak Djokovic, Lewis Hamilton and the frekkin Terminator himself:


I had no idea there were so many athletes that were vegan, even in sports like the 100m sprint, which are pure fast-twitch muscle sports. The ultimate test of any diet is athletic performance. That is the only definitive empirical proof that the diet can work at the highest level and vegan diets have passed that test.

I've been trying out a vegan diet for about 6 months for environmental reasons (not every day, like 5 days a week), and my fitness level has increased. On the days I eat meat I feel more sluggish during workouts, versus my vegan days. But even beyond fitness, reducing meat intake is simply better for the environment. You can't have 7 billion people eating meat every day and have a sustainable ecosystem.
Those people are like the top 0.1% of the human species in athletics, they would be strong and talented no matter what. But good luck fielding hundreds of thousands of those humans as a backbone for your army. Also I never said it was not possible to do athletics on a vegan it just takes a lot more planning to find and create a vegan diet most people actually can follow. An athletes income and pension is depended on him performing well, we normal people don't have that so following a strict diet is way harder without such pressures.
Don't get me wrong im not against vegan diet, Indian vegan food is delicious and i prefer it over western european meat food. The flavors are just better.
 

Mohsin77

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Those people are like the top 0.1% of the human species in athletics, they would be strong and talented no matter what.

Those "0.1%" improved relative to their own performance after switching to plant based diets.

But good luck fielding hundreds of thousands of those humans as a backbone for your army.

Well, that's what the Gladiators were, plant based. And the Army they formed under Spartacus did pretty well. So yea, please, give me an army of Gladiators with rifles. Not only would they be total beasts on the battlefield, my bean+barley logistics would be so much better.

it just takes a lot more planning to find and create a vegan diet most people actually can follow.

Sounds like whining and lack of discipline to me. (Good luck with that army)

Indian vegan food is delicious and i prefer it over western european meat food.

I'm not a fan of Indian food. Their flavors are too weird for my Pakistani taste. But like I said, I'm not 100% vegan. 5 days a week on a vegan diet though is totally manageable. You should try it yourself for a few months. It does take a lot of planning to switch over, but it's worth it for the environment + fitness.
 
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So you are telling me that India is not investing to its human capital?

Music to my ears. May the Great Modi rule India for another 20 years

It's reason to be more sad for the people of India than gleeful

Old post below on how Indian malnutrition has somehow gotten worse in the past 7 years or so

That's not entirely accurate.

Whilst the best Indians are the equal of anyone, there are so very few of them.

India's institutions, upbringing and education of children is awful.

For example in 2014, 38% of Indian children were physically stunted due to malnutrition, which retards healthy brain development and learning during lessons.

And in the 5 years from 2014-2019, malnutrition had somehow gotten worse despite moderate economic growth in India.
That is how much the Indian *elite* cares about its less fortunate citizens.

Plus since 2020, poverty has skyrocketed in India due to the pandemic.
I reckon India has lost at a minimum of 5 years of development so far.

But back to your point of the USA importing large numbers of Indians.
There are only 18 million Indians who live on more than $600 per month, which I reckon is indicative of a white-collar job or university education.
And those *elite* Indians will import the same mindset they grew up with in India

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Overbom

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It's reason to be more sad for the people of India than gleeful
I am sad for the people of India

I am gleeful for the dimming prospects of the Jai Hinds becoming strong and attacking China

Old post below on how Indian malnutrition has somehow gotten worse in the past 7 years or so
Yeah, this shows that India hasn't thought long term (democracy amiright?) about the consequences of underinvesting on the meeting the nutritional needs of its people


IMO India should try to settle the border dispute with China while it has time. Because with each year not resolving the border issues, China is becoming stronger.

What should worry India, is that Chinese leaders might have already decided on how they see India role on the region. If they have decided it is hostile (very likely) for China, then China will bleed it dry
 

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Genetics play an important part in our physical well being and performance.
Not a ridiculous post.

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War against diabetes: Why Indians are at risk and what they need to know

It is well known in Singapore, our fellow Indians are more prone to diabetes.
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I was looking for the reasons why the Indians were easily CLOBBERED by the Chinese at Galwan,
the answer could be in the Genetics.
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06 September 2000

The paradox of low body mass index and high body fat percentage among Chinese, Malays and Indians in Singapore

RESULTS: Compared with body fat percentage (BF%) obtained using the reference method, BF% for the Singaporean Chinese, Malays and Indians were under-predicted by BMI, sex and age when an equation developed in a Caucasian population was used. The mean prediction error ranged from 2.7% to 5.6% body fat. The BMI/BF% relationship was also different among the three Singaporean groups, with Indians having the highest BF% and Chinese the lowest for the same BMI.

RESULTS:
The BMI/BF% relationship was also different among the three Singaporean groups, with Indians having the highest BF% and Chinese the lowest for the same BMI.

HOW TO WIN HAND TO HAND COMBAT, at Galwan,
when Indians are MOSTLY BODY FAT and NO MUSCLES
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As expected, it would devolve. Please cool it on the large and bolded font - unlike where you might’ve come from most here are literate. The conclusions you’ve drawn mean nothing. the objectives fighting in and around Ladakh arent going to be determined by body fat %. If anything the higher altitudes and resultant lower temperatures might actually make it beneficial. Not that it helped them last year.
 

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