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KYli

Major
Read Vietnamese news a few minutes ago that they start producing Russian Spunik V vaccine. The first lot is 30,000 doses and sent to Russia for evaluation. Russia may reply within 30 days.

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It is meaningless. Russia is having a shortage of its own vaccines. Indian manufactures haven't received the needed ingredients to continue making Russian vaccines. The problem is Russia has signed over billion doses of contract but only capable of manufacturing tens of million each month.


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A laboratory in India said last week the country's full rollout would have to be put on hold until the Russia producer provides equal quantities of its two doses, which are different sizes.

Argentina and Guatemala have also reported delays to promised supplies.
 

Phead128

Junior Member
Vaccine efficacy means "Reduced risk (or chance) of infection versus unvaxxed". Vaccine efficacy does NOT mean "Probability of not getting infected". This misinterpretation is the fundamental reason those anti-China trolls say Chinese vaccines are "shit" which is wrong!

So imagine:
  • Pfizer has 66% risk reduction of Delta-infection compared to unvaxxed.
  • versus.
  • (Hypothetically) Sinopharm has 60% risk reduction of Delta-infection compared to unvaxxed.

If you are Vietnam, should you wait for Pfizer (hoarded by West, plagued by delays) or get inactivated vaccine from China?

Vietnam and other developing countries should get any vaccine that's currently in large supply, because the incremental risk reduction offered by Pfizer (just +6% reduced chance of infection versus unvaxxed) isn't worth the extended wait times and shortage delays where people are dying now.

Even an extra +30% reduced chance of infection versus unvaxxed won't make a big difference really, since the risk reduction is compared to unvaxxed, anything over 50% risk reduction is considered "Excellent" by the CDC or FDA!
 
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Sardaukar20

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Yay, their rosy tinted glasses of West is fading. The realize the West is hoarding vaccines and people are dying. Their health ministers and scientists are apolitical and telling them even 60% risk reduction from vaccines is better than 0% risk reduction.

Vietnam is an ungrateful cunt neighbor despite all the help China provided in past, but if Vietnamese citizens take Chinese vaccines, that could improve reputation of China among the population.
I doubt the average Vietnamese will see China in a better light after receiving Chinese vaccines. They have been using Chinese-made products in their everyday lives. The liberation of Vietnam was achieved due in no small part to Chinese-supplied arms. Yet the Vietnamese hate the Chinese as ever. Even if China had sold weapons to Vietnam recently, it won't be unthinkable to see those weapons being pointed back at China. That is how Vietnam behaves historically.

China should donate vaccines to Vietnam on humanitarian grounds. But to expect Vietnam to be grateful is not realistic In any case, sincere donors don't expect gratitude. They are above those kinds of things. Covid-19 has taught Vietnam a lesson regarding playing politics with a pandemic. If they still don't learn any lessons, they'll continue to be punished.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Fully vaccinated too
Am sorry to laugh but this is tragically funny and unsurprising to say the least. America kept on barking along with it's dogs in the media howling on how ineffective the Chinese made vaccines are against Covid-19 and it's more virulent variants. Not to mention unscrupulous and unfounded accusations of "vaccine diplomacy" against China which frankly made the vaccinations in countrie who have decided to use Chinese made vaccines -- have turned some of the vocal minority to adopt vaccine hesitancy -- not just out of necessity but also the financial feasibility. Most importantly the Chinese vaccines are the only game in town because the super duper western made vaccines were hoarded by the virtue signaling mother f...ers while busy pontificating about the need for countries to get vaccines.

The western world would rather the world sink into utter chaos so long that chaos is confined away from their borders freely able to revel in their purported superiority while crying crocodile tears with fake outrage and concern for the people in the global south. So that in the end they're the only countries and people capable of saving humanity from the scourge not from Covid-19 but from the evil and insidious red Chyna.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Really wish China could reply with ‘well fuck you very much then’ and close all land boarders with Vietnam and let them stew in their own self made calamity, but alas that’s not how the real world works. Hence my suggestion of an arsehole tax instead.
Bud, am sorry but you're cracking me up with these witty responses man. I had to hide away my laughter because my colleague at work was jolted when I started to laugh after reading your like about 500% assailed tax thing...and then now with your "we'll f..k you very much then" quip..
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
What make Vietnam thinks it can request 5 million doses of donation from China?
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In addition, the country will get 100,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine from the Romanian government in the near future, he said, adding that Vietnam is also asking the Chinese Government for non-refundable aid of 5 million doses of Sinopharm vaccine.
It's easy. The vietnamese gavernment must public announce to everyone in Vietnam and the world that all Viet claims to any land features in the SCS is void and they only support China claim. The moment that happens, China can send them 100million vaccines and skip before all other countries.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Vaccine efficacy means "Reduced risk (or chance) of infection versus unvaxxed". Vaccine efficacy does NOT mean "Probability of not getting infected". This misinterpretation is the fundamental reason those anti-China trolls say Chinese vaccines are "shit" which is wrong!

So imagine:
  • Pfizer has 66% risk reduction of Delta-infection compared to unvaxxed.
  • versus.
  • (Hypothetically) Sinopharm has 60% risk reduction of Delta-infection compared to unvaxxed.

If you are Vietnam, should you wait for Pfizer (hoarded by West, plagued by delays) or get inactivated vaccine from China?

Vietnam and other developing countries should get any vaccine that's currently in large supply, because the incremental risk reduction offered by Pfizer (just +6% reduced chance of infection versus unvaxxed) isn't worth the extended wait times and shortage delays where people are dying now.

Even an extra +30% reduced chance of infection versus unvaxxed won't make a big difference really, since the risk reduction is compared to unvaxxed, anything over 50% risk reduction is considered "Excellent" by the CDC or FDA!
If a vaccinated person catch covid, like the delta variant, would the likelihood of long covid be less than someone not vaccinated?

The reason I ask is because I though unvaccinated people have inflammation to organs from the body not knowing how to fight the virus. With a vaccine, the body sort of knows how to fight the virus, even if it's a variant, so less likely to inflam all the organs.

I know less about this than a amateur, so am I out to lunch or close to reality??
 

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