Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


emblem21

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That's a very good question.

By the way, the strains of the virus that have ravaged USA until recently being starting to be overtaken by the Delta variant came from Europe and the UK. The strain of the virus in Wuhan, China possibly never came to USA or died out shortly after arrival and yet the western media will simply ignore all this bare evidence and choose to just blatantly point the fingers at China.
Yes and I am getting an increasingly strong sense of hubris in the actions of the USA as of late, with all the stuff that happened early on and with the latest humiliation with regards to Russia and the Afghan debacle, they still are asking for more. Next up, we will have a supper outbreak of the delta forcing the USA to choose between sacrificing the economy or its people, both choices will be bad and this is something that Biden isn’t going to be able to solve. This is getting real guys and we still have another half of the year to go and if I can guess right, this is where the really bad stuff happens
 

OppositeDay

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Basically a supersized phase 2. Not really a phase 3 trial.

I'm really keen on seeing the phase 3 trial of Livzon's protein fusion candidate. In phase 2 trial it induces neutralizing antibodies at a level 3 times as high as found in recovered patients while using only traditional aluminum-based adjuvant, putting it on par with vaccines using advanced adjuvants.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Yup they make the right decision This guy Thedros is up for election so he curry favor to the west in order to get their vote

China rejects WHO plan for second phase of study into COVID-19 origins​

China has rejected the World Health Organization's plan for a further study into the origins of COVID-19. The WHO had proposed a second phase investigation, which includes an audit of Chinese labs and markets. Beijing said the proposal shows disrespect and arrogance towards science.
 

plawolf

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Yup they make the right decision This guy Thedros is up for election so he curry favor to the west in order to get their vote

China rejects WHO plan for second phase of study into COVID-19 origins​

China has rejected the World Health Organization's plan for a further study into the origins of COVID-19. The WHO had proposed a second phase investigation, which includes an audit of Chinese labs and markets. Beijing said the proposal shows disrespect and arrogance towards science.
Exactly right, the WHO has caved under US pressure, so the nature of a second visit will change from scientific fact finding, as was predominately the case with the original study (deliberate sabotage by politically appointed Australian members aside); to a blatant witch hunt fishing exercise, would be the case if a second visit was allowed.

Basically the second visit’s findings are already known, with the only question being how much circumstantial ‘evidence’ they can dig up to support the US lab-leak frame job.
 

Phead128

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If a vaccinated person catch covid, like the delta variant, would the likelihood of long covid be less than someone not vaccinated?

The reason I ask is because I though unvaccinated people have inflammation to organs from the body not knowing how to fight the virus. With a vaccine, the body sort of knows how to fight the virus, even if it's a variant, so less likely to inflam all the organs.

I know less about this than a amateur, so am I out to lunch or close to reality??

Yes, "Long COVID" is extremely rare among Vaccinated individuals, because the body is 'primed' and 'ready to (accurately) fight' the virus. Un-vaccinated individuals is more likely to elicit a wild disorganized inflammatory response that damages their own organs ("long COVID)... but being vaccinated drastically reduces that risk.

Yup they make the right decision This guy Thedros is up for election so he curry favor to the west in order to get their vote

China rejects WHO plan for second phase of study into COVID-19 origins​

China has rejected the World Health Organization's plan for a further study into the origins of COVID-19. The WHO had proposed a second phase investigation, which includes an audit of Chinese labs and markets. Beijing said the proposal shows disrespect and arrogance towards science.

What I learned in US culture, particularly among it's elite politicians is, if you get accused in any scandal .... "Just deny everything...." Act like "It's so OBVIOUSLY wrong that I don't even need to bother or waste my time to dispute it, because it's SELF-EXPLANATORY and evidence is already there." If they insist, assert that this is a witch-hunt against China. This puts the ball in THEIR court and forces the opponent to prove their case, instead of the victim trying to prove their own innocence (...against an arbitrary set of criteria which will never satisfy bad-faith actors).

This response from China is 1000% correct. "Fuck off Chinese sovereign territory with your double-standard Yellow-Peril witch hunt that is devoid of logic or scientific merit. I don't need to waste precious oxygen because it's so obviously patently false."

US would have said the same thing over Fort Detrick: "Fuck off, I don't waste my time with loser accusers."
 
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supersnoop

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That's a very good question.

By the way, the strains of the virus that have ravaged USA until recently being starting to be overtaken by the Delta variant came from Europe and the UK. The strain of the virus in Wuhan, China possibly never came to USA or died out shortly after arrival and yet the western media will simply ignore all this bare evidence and choose to just blatantly point the fingers at China.
I have been saying this for quite some time now.
I am not an expert, but from common sense...

1. Through research, it is already known that the Covid outbreak in the US was caused by travelers from Europe
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2. If China was the primary source of the virus, then it would follow that the overseas Chinese communities would be the hardest and first hit. Again, we have no such evidence...
Comparatively speaking, Delta has definitely spread widely amongst the overseas Indian diaspora...

3. If Wuhan was the definitive outbreak source, then we would have seen outbreaks all over China as many people travelled from there. However, we see that the lockdown was able to stop it in its tracks. Extrapolating from this, other Asian countries were also able to control the spread early on.

I saw a YouTube video that theorized Chinese workers had spread covid throughout Europe (which is why there might have been covid detected in those sewage samples), but again, doesn't really make sense as to why more overseas Chinese people wouldn't be harder hit.

If we were to assume Wuhan was the source of the outbreak, then wouldn't it be kind of elementary to compare the amount of travelers from Wuhan to elsewhere in China vs. Europe in December-January to give a general probability of how likely the virus spread from Wuhan to other places? If the volume of travel from Wuhan to elsewhere in China is 10X more than travel from Wuhan to Europe, doesn't it make the idea of some random single "Patient zero" asymptomatically spreading covid throughout Europe (starting with Italy) highly, highly unlikely to the point of science fiction? The timing of the Wuhan outbreak relative to the major outbreak in Italy follows the general incubation period (2 to 3 weeks). However, there is still somewhat of a missing link here, because it still does not explain why there were only a few dozen detected cases elsewhere in major cities in China.

The lab leak logic is similar, because WIV is close to the first outbreak, then a lab leak is a simple conclusion. However, that conclusion would be ignoring all of the obvious evidence above.

The desire to pin the blame on Chinese government inaction is very hard for the authorities to swallow. The SARS epidemic was an extremely tough lesson to learn from. It was because of SARS that the Chinese government developed cooperation with the US CDC. The ability to curb the Covid outbreak in China should have shown the world that the government learned its lesson from SARS, but instead the western media and US politicians still want to play the blame game.
 
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