Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

SteelBird

Colonel
Don't have problem if China donated 5 millions additional doses to Vietnam or any countries in need to fight coronavirus. However, it is just a thankless gesture. Vietnam government and Vietnamese people wouldn't appreciate it, and demonize of Chinese vaccines wouldn't stop.

In previous donation, Vietnam didn't honor its promise by refusing to vaccinate Chinese in Vietnam first or vaccinate Vietnamese near the border first until China filed a formal complaint. Vietnam is the only country that required diplomatic pressure to honor its promise.

In addition, Vietnam has reject donation until now and never placed any orders for Chinese vaccines. I think if it is given a choice, Vietnam wouldn't ask for donation. Furthermore, these 5 millions doses supposed to be a sales order but now Vietnam demanded these vaccines to be donated.

Vietnam has placed an order of 51 millions doses of Pfizer, 40 + 20 millions doses of Sputnik, and 30 millions doses of AstraZeneca. But at the moment, Vietnam has not placed any order of Chinese vaccines except demanding donation. Donating to a nation that you know would bite your hand and ungrateful just depressing and foolish. But helping Vietnam is helping SEA and Chinese border. So I am not against donation.
You're not against donation -- that's the bottom line!

I don't like the Vietnamese government either. But if you look at the big picture, China needs a friend more than a foo. At least someone not talking bad about you. You don't just donate it at their demand. You need to talk to them to make them change their attitude before making donation. I think the words "non-refundable donation" means 无偿援助 or non-repay aid (whatever you translate it).

When Covid was under contained in Vietnam, some Vietnamese netizens said "rather die than using Chinese vaccine", "give me the high quality vaccine and I will pay the extra", and so on. Now I see some change their words saying inactivated vaccines are safer and willing to take one as soon as it's available.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I can see a meaning if China asked that after being paid but Vietnam is asking for non-refundable aid of Chinese vaccines...? If they're getting something for free, what's there to be refunded?
Probably just a mistranslation of a Vietnamese turn of phrase that does not translate well literally.

I agree that China should grant this request, because Vietnam does share a land board with China which is now poorly guarded and porous.

It is interesting that Vietnam is only asking for 5m doses. My guess is that the intend to rush these to the hot spots to do emergency vaccinations since they can no longer wait for western vaccines. If it pulls off a miracle and contain the outbreak, the Vietnamese government will take all the credit for its ‘decisive action’ and obviously zero credit will be given to China and Chinese vaccines won’t even be mentioned in western reporting.

If Chinese vaccines don’t work miracles, it will be used by both Vietnam and the west will use that as further evidence to trash talk Chinese vaccines.

I think China should donate the 5m, but if it works and Vietnam comes asking for more, it should agree to sell as many doses as Vietnam needs, but charge a 500% asshole tax on top of the market price.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
I rarely see Western media say: "Communist Party of China". Often times, they talk about "China" or "Chinese Government" when bashing China.

Also, most Americans know China isn't "Commie" anymore, see the plethora of iPhones, laptops, semiconductors, clothing, goods and services that Americans purchase from "Commie" China as evidence that they know China isn't like Cuba or North Korea.

Nah I have seen a bunch of people, especially the conservatives, use the term, Commie or CCP, to indicate China. If you are willing to risk your sanity, check out all of the conservative media outlets, internet celebrities, and ofc the comment sections of websites, and youll see those terms being thrown around. Plus I dont think many Americans know what a Communist government really is and does. All they know is that any government that calls itself Communist is bad. Basically, to them, Communism = bad, not Communism = a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. Heck they don't even know the different versions of socialism and capitalism. There are even those who still think Chinese people are starving to death and that ALL of those products you mentioned are made in sweatshops filled with malnourished children that are enslaved by the Communist regime. Perhaps the intellectuals think like what you said, but social media shows otherwise. That is why Americans easily fall for the lab leak theory and have no sympathy for the Chinese in the beginning of the pandemic.

Yep I hear alot of CCP, red china, evil commies etc. Shows those morons are still stuck in cold war mindset when the world already progress beyond those times

The whole calling the Communist Part of China as CCP is actually a massive clue to the brainwashing and mental conditioning that went on in America during the Cold War, where basically every America has been conditioned to automatically associate the CCCP aka USSR with pure evil. So modern American propagandists are just tapping into that existing conditioning in the boomer generation by insisting in incorrectly labelling the CPC as the CCP.

They're actually using "CCP" because they know if they use any other term they can easily be labelled racist. I've seen politicians use CCP and then add a qualifier that they're not targeting the Chinese people but are only targeting the Communist Party of China.

Bro, that's conservative fringe media weirdos...I'm talking about mainstream media like CNN, NYT, or WSJ... Most Americans distrust mainstream media...and mainstream media uses "China" not "See See Pee".

Guys, you don't need to see Conservative paper to see that type of subtle brain washing of anything China is bad! Even a few members here always harping on CCP this and CCP that.

You just know where they are coming from. And where they are going with their narratives.
 

Quickie

Colonel
I can see a meaning if China asked that after being paid but Vietnam is asking for non-refundable aid of Chinese vaccines...? If they're getting something for free, what's there to be refunded?

The way I see it Vietnam was thinking that China was expecting to be refunded with "goodwill" with their donation of vaccines. The Vietnam news report kind of preempted it but by qualifying the donation as non-refundable, supposedly be it in "money" or "goodwill".
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
The way I see it Vietnam was thinking that China was expecting to be refunded with "goodwill" with their donation of vaccines. The Vietnam news report kind of preempted it but by qualifying the donation as non-refundable, supposedly be it in "money" or "goodwill".

Really wish China could reply with ‘well fuck you very much then’ and close all land boarders with Vietnam and let them stew in their own self made calamity, but alas that’s not how the real world works. Hence my suggestion of an arsehole tax instead.
 

Phead128

Captain
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
What make Vietnam thinks it can request 5 million doses of donation from China?
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In addition, the country will get 100,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine from the Romanian government in the near future, he said, adding that Vietnam is also asking the Chinese Government for non-refundable aid of 5 million doses of Sinopharm vaccine.
Yay, their rosy tinted glasses of West is fading. The realize the West is hoarding vaccines and people are dying. Their health ministers and scientists are apolitical and telling them even 60% risk reduction from vaccines is better than 0% risk reduction.

Vietnam is an ungrateful cunt neighbor despite all the help China provided in past, but if Vietnamese citizens take Chinese vaccines, that could improve reputation of China among the population.
 
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