Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


taxiya

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@KYli and @Hendrik_2000 there's no forever friend nor forever enemy. Let the past be gone and move forward. If China doesn't donate vaccines to Vietnam now, the US will do it and they are doing it.

Vietnam is currently in really deep water with daily cases going up every day likely 4,795 new cases today and not peak yet. Vietnam has 98 million people and if 70% of them need to be vaccinated, it would be around 69 million people or 138 million doses. That's a lot for them. So they are trying to use their geopolitical advantage to gain free vaccines. China has donated a lot of vaccines worldwide, why not include Vietnam? If you don't donate vaccine to me (VN), I will go to uncle Sam to get it and don't blame me for not warning you in advance (Sic)!!!
The problem is not "If China should donate to Vietnam", it is their altitude, "Vietnam is also asking the Chinese Government for non-refundable aid of 5 million doses of Sinopharm vaccine."

Donation has to be offered without asking or demanding. In Chinese culture demanding a donation regardless the wording is blackmailing and robbery.
 

taxiya

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You're not against donation -- that's the bottom line!

I don't like the Vietnamese government either. But if you look at the big picture, China needs a friend more than a foo. At least someone not talking bad about you. You don't just donate it at their demand. You need to talk to them to make them change their attitude before making donation. I think the words "non-refundable donation" means 无偿援助 or non-repay aid (whatever you translate it).

When Covid was under contained in Vietnam, some Vietnamese netizens said "rather die than using Chinese vaccine", "give me the high quality vaccine and I will pay the extra", and so on. Now I see some change their words saying inactivated vaccines are safer and willing to take one as soon as it's available.
But but but the past thousands years have taught China that it was/is always a foo and never a friend. I am not being picky of what is a friend BTW. There are only two neighbors of China that are in this outstanding class.
 

emblem21

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So the English Vegetable has made her choice.

She choose death in mass scale. Oh well. This is after years of western brain washing, thus make her nation like pussies that worship white ping ping, like Japan but it all ends poorly for both of them in the end like the USA has planned. Although since the USA has progressively become a nation of pussies as well (they need 10 nations to gang up on China and China is still bankrupting their ass slowly but surely)
In the end, China will have to clean up her mess, after she sooner or later gets most of the nation in Taiwan wiped off, thus hopefully teaching Taiwan the error of blind stupidity.
Oh btw, did any her about how the UK is sending their 2 best ships to the South China Sea, talk about epic stupidity. I won’t shed a tear when the UK gets its own just desserts if they think for a second they can try to push China around when they have hyper sonic nukes, along with also kissing off Russia that also now has hypersonic nukes. Maybe they should honestly blow up London bridge with the stupid poking that BJ is doing none stop. Especially this time, the west is the ones starting the fight, it’s high time that it finally ends with the west being decisively taught a lesson on hubris, that is taught from the Bible, that they keep saying they follow (which they don’t of course)
 

AndrewS

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The problem is not "If China should donate to Vietnam", it is their altitude, "Vietnam is also asking the Chinese Government for non-refundable aid of 5 million doses of Sinopharm vaccine."

Donation has to be offered without asking or demanding. In Chinese culture demanding a donation regardless the wording is blackmailing and robbery.

Not just in Chinese culture.

Vietnam is also a Confucian culture
 

KYli

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The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccines were wowing Israelis with sky-high effectiveness rates until the rise of the Delta variant. But according to data recently raised at a top-level Health Ministry meeting, the immunization’s effectiveness in preventing serious illness is now at 80% for the general population and 50% for the elderly.

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Some 143 Israelis were
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as of Wednesday at 12 p.m., according to the Health Ministry. Fifty-eight percent of them were vaccinated, 39% were not and 3% were partially vaccinated, meaning they had taken one dose or a full week had not passed since their second shot.

Only one patient was a child. Five were
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or women who recently gave birth.

Of the country’s 64 serious patients, including 17 in critical condition, there were 12 who were being invasively ventilated. However, while the percentage of vaccinated cases was high, the percentage of those who require invasive treatment was low: Only three fully vaccinated people were being invasively ventilated.

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Doctors say the majority of those being admitted right now are younger people who haven’t been vaccinated, or who are awaiting their second dose. A sizable chunk of admissions, around 14% on the latest available data, are people in their 50s who have been fully vaccinated, as are 45% of deaths. That is a reminder that even after vaccination, older people continue to bear an outsize risk from Covid-19.

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Some other stats:
49.2% of the people in US are fully vaccinated
Delta is now 83% of the causes in the US

We could be looking at another big wave in the states. If this wave ends up being say half the size of the big wave around Christmas it would be a very difficult situation:
  • you can keep the country open and let delta rip through the unvaccinated population. Given how easily delta spreads and its ability to case through breakthrough cases even among vaccinated people you could be looking at a lot of deaths
  • you can lock down the country again to suppress the wave, causing further damage to the economy, potentially causing the stock market to collapse and cause intense societal tension between vaccinated and unvaccinated people
That's quite the predicament they found themselves in.
 

emblem21

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Oh boy here we go again, look who's back in the game
Oh well, they blame china repeatedly, and now this one is completely on them for not being remotely careful in regards to this pandemic. Still, the number of people died must be a lot higher then reported because as everyone knows, that the USA is a nation of lies. Also, shouldn't the USA be questioning India about way such a dangerous strain has come to America. Either way, lets wait for 2 more months and see if this virus has mutated even more and thus end up tearing the USA apart because they are trying to start a war against China and hence as a result this is something that the USA deserves in full. Funny enough, I can see this finally striking the white house hard enough that it has the potential to basically cause some real damage
 

Quickie

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Oh well, they blame china repeatedly, and now this one is completely on them for not being remotely careful in regards to this pandemic. Still, the number of people died must be a lot higher then reported because as everyone knows, that the USA is a nation of lies. Also, shouldn't the USA be questioning India about way such a dangerous strain has come to America. Either way, lets wait for 2 more months and see if this virus has mutated even more and thus end up tearing the USA apart because they are trying to start a war against China and hence as a result this is something that the USA deserves in full. Funny enough, I can see this finally striking the white house hard enough that it has the potential to basically cause some real damage

Also, shouldn't the USA be questioning India about way such a dangerous strain has come to America.

That's a very good question.

By the way, the strains of the virus that have ravaged USA until recently being starting to be overtaken by the Delta variant came from Europe and the UK. The strain of the virus in Wuhan, China possibly never came to USA or died out shortly after arrival and yet the western media will simply ignore all this bare evidence and choose to just blatantly point the fingers at China.
 

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