Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    I think a Sino-Russian cooperation on combat jet engine development of that sort is still some time away.
    But not totally away given prior tech transfer and supposed joint development on the engine for the CRAIC CR929.
    I think if the work on that engine goes well, perhaps we will see further joint engine development attempts.
     
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    Turkey has the S-400. The Trump administration is silent. https://www.defensenews.com/pentago...the-s-400-the-trump-administration-is-silent/
     
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    Sad situation. no doubt the Russians are happy, and Erdogan no doubt is having a chuckle for the present, but when all that work goes away because he broke the security agreement, there won't be any refund coming his way....

    He's cost NATO billions of dollars in restructuring F-35 production, and 1,000 of Turkish people their up and coming aerospace futures, so yes, its gonna hurt, yes, its going to slow down F-35 production, and Turkey will not be able to purchase a true 5 Generation jet fighter, they won't be able to build one either, so they will be SOL.
     
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    Agree, , Turkey should stop to supply any part to F35, making it impossible to manufacture more airplane for few years.

    That should be an interesting shock for the project.


    And you want to say Turkey doesn't know better the capability of F-35 and S-400 than you ?

    They part of the manufacturing of the plane, they have three magnitude more information about S400 and four more about the F35 than you (or me ) ,but they are the ones who can't make a decision that is good for them ?


    The decision to buy the S400 in this situation showing the F35 as a practically useless thing against the S400.
     
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    the decision to buy the S400 is a manipulation to force the West to "kick" Turkey out of the F-35 program, Mr. Erdogan see's any Western influence as a "danger" to his standing in Turkey...

    He knows the Russians don't care what he does?? against his own citizens or the Kurd's?

    As for your inference that the F-35 is useless against the S400, feel free to believe any non-sense you wish, but if a shooting war broke out, 20 to 1, I would prefer to be in the cockpit of the F-35 to the control room of the S400.....

    Those F-35's will "smoke those mobile rocket launchers" like Peking Duck!
     
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    so yet again moderator lets afb gets away with repugnant and malicious political conjecture.
     
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    Spending huge political capital for something not useful would be foolish.

    And again, even Bangladesh military has better information about the F35 and Sx00 than all person on this forum together.

    Turkey is in the top ten (maybe five ) country to know every relevant/ important details of the F35.

    If they willing to spend huge political capital to loose the plane and buy the S400, then it is the best evidence about the capability of the Russian SAM, and the issues with the F35.

    Buying the S400 doesn't bring any political capital, it spend it.


    You mixing up the "spending money" with "earning money" regards of this matter.
    Turkey paying waaaay more for those SAMs than few billion $, so it is more expansive than the Patriot and F35 together.

    Saying anything else can only explained by the next options :
    1 the given person sharing classified information (unlikely )
    2. the given person talk due to political reasons.
     
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    they tried to spend their political capital to get both. But had spent it all over the last few year on domestic affairs and smear.
    doubtful as they have never been part of The F35 consortium or received a classified brief on it.
    look again they tried to keep both. They wanted both platforms. When the US applied pressure to choose they chose not to choose, they were hyping the coming program had pilots in training right up till the US said so which is it? They thought they could play winner take all and walk away with both. The US President and Congress said that’s not how it works and finally said “Okay deal is off.”
    what little was left If it. Turkish US relations have been on the down turn for the better part of a decade now much like Turkish Israel relations fell apart.
    In 2017 polls found that 70% of Turks felt more threatened by the US than Russia or China. Whether the polling was absolutely accurate or not the fact is that that seems to be how the Turkish Government also leans.
    The Andrew Brunson affair seriously broke relations farther and threats to raid the Air base in the country as well as against Kurdish population continues to stress the relationship.
    The fact is the F35 deal Is off. Erdogan wanted Both systems. He wanted them to build his Neo Ottoman Empire. But the price of buying S400 was the last of the US Mil to Mil technology exchanges. This is t the only case where it has happened like this, the Turkish relationship with Germany is also stressed to the point that Germany refused upgrades of the Leopard 2A4 tanks and MTU engines for the Turkish Altay tanks.
    The Israelis were once close allies of Turkey Some of Turkey’s top tanks the Sabra series were M60 tanks rebuilt with Israeli Armor, weapons and systems. There were plans for even more but that relationship soured hard.
     
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    Trump cuts off F-35 for Turkey. And lawmakers say sanctions are coming. https://www.defensenews.com/congres...urkey-and-lawmakers-say-sanctions-are-coming/
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