Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    DOD lines up plan to cut Turkey from F-35 program with ‘no major disruptions’
    Source : Inside Defense June 7, 2019
     
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    AFAIK back then Russia did not offer the S-400 in the contest. They offered Turkey the S-300VM (?).
    The Chinese offer was also the only one with a full tech transfer and it was the cheapest.
     
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    I got your question, maybe you haven't get my answer. The point is, for China the S400 purchase is an upgrade to their existing S300 batteries, such as adding some long range missiles that are not part of S300 with related radars.

    If you have 100 batteries of S300, you can upgrade them to S400 standard by adding x amount of money, or you replace them with 100 batteries of domestic made with 10 times (just figurative) the cost of an upgrade, what would you do?

    Allow me to take Pakistan as an example, PAK air force has some 85 F-16, if you have the choice to upgrade all of them to block CD level without blockade of US, would you buy 85 J-10 instead even if China can offer avionics and radars better than block CD? I am sure you will only by J-10 if you want to increase the number of fighters more than 85, but you will stick to upgrading F-16 if the number remains.

    Also it is wrong to say one is superior over the others just because one wan a tender. Eurofighter has won tenders over Rafale or F-XXs, it does not mean anyone of them are superior over anyone else, does it?
     
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    Iirc, with all s400 wars this nice little upgrade hasn't even appeared here.
    There is some irony, what one of the worlds' most advanced tanks in 2019 is ... M60. +/- 60 years after its introduction. Perhaps more remarkably, their known Leopard 2a4 modernisation attempt is far more moderate in scale.
    It seems what good old patton in the end simply has more potential.
    [​IMG]
     
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    First, technically M60 isn’t a Patton tank. M46 was M47 was M48 was. But not M60. You see the Widow of the infamous Salty General smashed a champagne bottle on the bow of the three earlier tanks but not M60. Like M113 people assumed a name for it.
    Abrams was christened, Bradley was christened, Stryker was christened. Helicopters like Apache are given a ceremonial adoption by the namesake tribe. M60 didn’t have that happen. It was a fallback plan at the start after the T95 Medium tank (not to be confused with the T95 Heavy tank) program was cancelled. Even as the M60 entered service the Army was debating joining the Russians with a Missile firing tank gun. The Short lived MBT70 program and interim M60A2 with 152mm smooth bore guns packing Shillelagh missiles along side the M551 Sheridan all come about this time and all leave Service fairly quickly to. M60A2 being retrofit back with modified M60A1 turrets as M60A3 and serving until the M1 Abrams family came on line.

    Second it actually shouldn’t be such a shock.
    However the Leopard 2A4 remains in service. I say it shouldn’t be a shock as if we trek over to Jordan, we find the Jordanian Army is another M60 user. After the Gulf war they received the bulk of the surplus Challenger 1 Tank. Those Challenger 1 tanks having in British service been superseded by the Challenger 2. Well recently Jordan said they were retiring them to. Challenger 1 dates from 1982. The Jordanians decided to upgrade their M60 fleet with a package from Leonardo.
     
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    Nonono. Shocking part is, look at the scale of this upgrade(on top of already thoroughly upgraded Sabra).
    This basically becomes one of the most advanced tanks in the world.
    And probably, the best movable pillbox(as they tend to be used) out there.

    P.s. as far as i understand, Altay is set to replace 2A4s, not these.
     
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    Turkey shows Mock up if TF-X at Paris Air show.
    http://m.aviationweek.com/paris-airshow-2019/turkish-fighter-jet-debut-paris-air-show

    I know what your thinking this is days old. And you would be right. So I pulled these off of Twitter.
    Photos from @Ozkok_a
    https://twitter.com/ozkok_a/status/1140219298968997890?s=21
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    ..., did he fire six shots, or only five?
    but being this Magnun-forty-four,
    the most powerful handgun in the world,
    that can blow off your head right off,
    you should be asking yourself one question:
    do I feel lucky?

    do you, ...?

    [end of memory check]
     
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