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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the Washington Post on Sunday he was confident the president would levy sanctions as CAATSA requires. “The law requires that there be sanctions and I’m confident that we will comply with the law and President Trump will comply with the law,” Pompeo said.

Turkey has refused to bow to U.S. pressure, insisting that choosing which defense equipment to purchase is a matter of national sovereignty.

Although Trump expressed sympathy toward Turkey’s decision to purchase the Russian system during a meeting with Erdoğan on the sidelines of a G-20 meeting in Japan, Washington has repeatedly said that the Russian system is incompatible with NATO systems and is a threat to the F-35.

Lankford and Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s ranking member, Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., echoed that argument this week as reason to punish Turkey.

“Unlike India, Turkey is a NATO ally, the interoperability of our systems is critical, the inability of us to have a F-35 next to an S-400 is crystal clear, and [Turkish officials] were given options,” said . “In every respect, they turned their back on us. They had an option and they refused to do so. That’s why there’s not going to be a waiver.”

“We’re trying to make it clear that if you get Russian equipment, especially with them parking an F-35 next to an S-400, there’s no way you can do that, they’re not compatible,” Lankford said. “All this conversation about we’re going to study it, we’re going to examine it? We already know what the end result is on that. We don’t want to incentivize people using Russian and American equipment together.”

Erdoğan’s comments, that Trump “has the authority to waive or postpone CAATSA,” came two days after NATO member Turkey took delivery of the first tranche of advanced Russian S-400 missile defense system parts, despite warnings from Washington that the move would trigger CAATSA.

“Since this is the case, it is Trump who needs to find the middle ground,” Erdoğan told Turkish journalists, per
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In 2017, Congress overwhelmingly passed CAATSA, which was aimed at punishing Moscow for meddling in the 2016 U.S. election by targeting its defense and energy businesses. If the president determines a person has engaged in a “significant transaction” with the defense or intelligence sectors of the Russian government, the president must choose to enact five from a dozen types of sanctions it outlines.

Congress passed the subsequent waiver after lobbying by then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. He argued the sanctions offered no flexibility for allies in Asia who still needed to deal with Russia to maintain their older equipment.

The language inserted in the 2019 National Defense Authorization Act offers a national security waiver, but only if Trump certifies the transaction would not be with an entity that directly tied to cyber intrusions; endanger U.S. multilateral alliances or operation; increase the risk of compromising U.S. defense systems, or negatively impact defense cooperation with the country in question.

The president also must certify that the country is taking steps to reduce the share of Russian-produced arms and equipment in its total inventory or is cooperating with the U.S. on other matters critical to U.S. national security. As of yet, the administration has not used this waiver authority.

“It was drafted very stringently,” said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., and the Senate Armed Services Committee’s ranking member. “[Middle ground] would be very difficult because we have made it clear repeatedly, myself and my colleagues, that if Turkey is going to buy the S-400, they cannot have the F-35, and similarly the language of CAATSA suggest sanctions have to be applied.”

According to the Center for a New American Security’s Neil Bhatiya, the CAATSA waiver was written so it could not be granted to Turkey. Still, Trump could act unilaterally, essentially daring Congress to take action legislatively to ramp up sanctions, he said.

“They would be the only state that would be getting the S-400 and part of a multilateral alliance where we would be introducing technology that would be put at risk,” Bhatiya said. “So the reputational risk Trump would be taking by granting a waiver would be quite high, especially because the Pentagon and State Department have said, essentially, they want the sanctions.”

If Trump were to attempt to provide a waiver, he would see a strong bipartisan response, according to Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., and a senior member of Senate Foreign Relations Committee. “I would think there is support in Congress to do everything we can to make sure there is no waiver. Turkey’s been on notice on this, and it’s a pretty clear violation.”

Sanctions would mark a new low in the already-tense relations between Turkey and the U.S. Last year, the United States imposed sanctions on Turkey over its detention of an American pastor, triggering a Turkish currency crisis.

Because CAATSA provides an array of options, Trump could opt for lighter sanctions or target members of Turkey’s defense apparatus who have little or no connection to U.S. financial systems anyway, Bhatiya said.

“There is a menu of options and there could be something that’s not the death penalty for the Turkish economy,” Bhatiya said.
 
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An Israeli expert said that the critical question is, where will the Turks deploy the Russian system. "If it is deployed near the border with Syria it may endanger air forces that will attack Iranian controlled militias in Iraq," the Israeli source says.

Faced with Turkey’s purchase of the Russian S-400 anti-aircraft systems, Israel has already altered its operational patterns while flying over neighboring Syria.

The delivery of the Russian made S-400 surface-air missiles by Turkey, will create a “new order” in Middle Eastern airspace, Israeli sources say.

An Israeli expert said that the critical question is, where will the Turks deploy the Russian system. “If it is deployed near the border with Syria it may endanger air forces that will attack Iranian controlled militias in Iraq,” this source says.

The expert added that the Israeli air force and every other air force that may be involved in operations against Iran or its proxies will now have to train to cope with the S-400, widely considered one of the world’s most formidable surface to air weapons.

Israeli experts who talked on condition of anonymity said that the situation will become critical if and when Russian forces leave Syria. “The S-400 operated by Turkey will be capable of following any activity of the IAF over Syria, and that is a totally new situation” one of the experts said.

And the purchase, Israelis noted, creates complex problems for the United States. “Turkey spat today in the U.S face,” one Israeli source said.

A former commander of the Israeli Air Force who asked not to be named, said that the Turkish S-400s
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: “Do you think that the Russians will agree to share one of their most advanced technologies with NATO? I’m sure that this is not a possibility.”

Senior US officials have said repeatedly that stationing F-35s in the vicinity of S-400s could compromise one of the plane’s primary capabilities: its radar cross section. That is why the US
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while working closely with the Erdogan government on all other regional national security issues.

According to Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies (INSS ) there has been growing suspicion in the United States and other NATO countries over the increasing closeness between the two since Russia and Turkey patched over their differences following the shootdown of a Russian jet in November 2015.

According to two INSS senior researchers. Eldad Shavit and Galia Lindenstrauss, Turkish insistence on the deal reinforces the assessment that Erdogan’s moves are a reflection of his intention to change Turkey’s orientation from the West toward closer relations with Russia, or at least Turkey’s choice to take an independent path from the West. “In any case, it is clear that for Russia, the sale of advanced weapons to Turkey reflects its success in inserting a wedge between Ankara and the West, and is a further reinforcement of its success in establishing itself in the region,” they write.

The bottom line is that implementation of the S-400 deal will likely lead to a rift in relations between Turkey and the other NATO allies. In spite of the fears that a reaction will push Turkey even further toward Russia, it appears likely that the Trump Administration and Congress will respond strongly to the move. Word from Washington is that the situation remains unclear. While the National Security Council has apparently approved a sanctions package, no official comments have yet been released by the White House or the Pentagon. At 2 pm local time, it remained unclear whether President Trump
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According to Turkish columnist Burak Bekdil about half of Turkey’s network-based air defense was paid for by NATO, and Turkey is part of NATO’s Air Defense Ground Environment.

In a paper written for the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies in Israel, Bekdil writes that without NATO’s consent it will be impossible for Ankara to operate any non-NATO system, especially a Russian one.

Relations between Turkey and Israel have been on the down slope since an Israeli commando unit took over a ship that sailed from Turkey carrying activists to Gaza in 2010. Nine activists were killed.
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Anlsvrthng

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they tried to spend their political capital to get both. But had spent it all over the last few year on domestic affairs and smear.
And when the time come to choose they bought the item that is more useful for them.
The USA gave to them lot of warning and option even now to step back.

doubtful as they have never been part of The F35 consortium or received a classified brief on it.
You need a team of highly skilled Maxwell solvers for few years, few million $ to spend for experiment and you have all information that can came from those secret debriefings.

Every country on the earth with a functioning university can have this data , but they have no reason to share it with the public.

I doubt that if there is anyone on this forum who posses an amateur radio license even.

Example what two chap with same spare change from military R&D budget can achieve :
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In business school, one of the first thing taught in business strategy is the concept of "SWOT". For every threat there is an equal opportunity. I would say, bring it on with the S-400 and let the F-35 vacuum up every emission from its system. After all the F-35 is designed to take on the S-400 of the world.
 

Anlsvrthng

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In business school, one of the first thing taught in business strategy is the concept of "SWOT". For every threat there is an equal opportunity. I would say, bring it on with the S-400 and let the F-35 vacuum up every emission from its system. After all the F-35 is designed to take on the S-400 of the world.
Exactly what new information can be gathered from Turkey that can not collected from Kaliningrad or St. Petersburg, or Vladivostok ?

And the F35 is a quite rubbish signal intelligence gathering platform.
It can be used for that purpose as a mobile phone can be used to make videos and take pictures.
You can use it for that purpose, but the best phone camera doesn't match the capabilities of an old mid range camera .
 
In business school, one of the first thing taught in business strategy is the concept of "SWOT". For every threat there is an equal opportunity. I would say, bring it on with the S-400 and let the F-35 vacuum up every emission from its system. After all the F-35 is designed to take on the S-400 of the world.
LOL business school, what's ironic the biggest publicity for the S-400 was provided by the Pentagon; the LM Sales Dept.; the US defense journalists, and of course Western fanbois in "combined" attempts to "justify" an enormous investment into one-size-fits-all aircraft

it's doubly ironic now one of the original partners of the F-35 program leaves it to get its hyped threat

not sure if they'll teach this in a business school
 
here's what DefenseOne had to say July 16, 2019
Looks Like Turkey Is Getting Booted from the F-35 Program
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After months of threats, Washington appears poised to drop Ankara from the multibillion-dollar project.

The Trump administration is poised to remove Turkey from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program following its decision to buy Russian-made S-400 missile interceptors.

President Trump, speaking at a cabinet meeting Tuesday, appeared to confirm that Ankara would not receive the Lockheed Martin-made jets.

“Turkey’s…ordered over a hundred F-35 planes…and they had plans to order more,” Trump said. “But because they have a system of missiles that’s made in Russia, they’re now prohibited from buying over a hundred planes.”

The president inaccurately described the status of Turkey’s orders: though it has long professed plans to buy 100 of the jets, it has so far
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For months, Pentagon officials have
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to boot Turkey from the F-35 program and cancel delivery of its aircraft unless it canceled plans to buy the S-400. Turkish officials announced on Friday that those missiles had begun to arrive last Friday.

That put the ball in Washington’s court. On Friday, the Pentagon called, then cancelled, a press conference. Instead, Acting Defense Secretary Mark Esper
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before a Friday meeting with the Uzbekistan defense minister: “We are aware of Turkey taking delivery of the S-400; our position regarding the F-35 has not changed.”

Now, a formal announcement by the Pentagon is anticipated this week.

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have pushed the Trump administration to impose sanctions required by the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, which allows the U.S. to punish countries that buy Russian military equipment.

It’s unclear how those sanctions might affect U.S. defense companies doing business in Turkey, which is a NATO ally.

Pentagon officials have been working with Lockheed Martin to come up with alternative suppliers for the
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“What we are doing is talking about a wind-down [of those Turkish suppliers] in early 2020,” Ellen Lord, defense undersecretary for acquisition and sustainment, said in June.
 

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LOL business school, what's ironic the biggest publicity for the S-400 was provided by the Pentagon; the LM Sales Dept.; the US defense journalists, and of course Western fanbois in "combined" attempts to "justify" an enormous investment into one-size-fits-all aircraft

it's doubly ironic now one of the original partners of the F-35 program leaves it to get its hyped threat

not sure if they'll teach this in a business school
Sure Bro, you and your new bestie here on SDF, (Mr. analyzeverything, did you ever watch the "odd couple" with Jack Klugman and Tony Curtis?) know more than the combined Air Forces of all of the F-35's partners, including the Head of the Polish Air Force?? (now that truly is "ironic", is it NOT??)

So when you were in the States, something gave you a very bad taste? did you work for LockMart? you seem to have a personal grudge against the greatest fighter factory on the planet my friend??

explain this to me, PM me, really?? I got's to KNOW??

I still think you're probably the brightest member of SDF, hell, you're damn near smarter than BD Popeye and Jeff Head???

Anyway, get you a damn plane ticket over here, and I'll take you to the Milwaukee Airshow, then you and I can visit with "Dojo", (where else on the planet can you meet a "Super Hero of the State, USAF Air Force Major, F-35 A model throttle jockey?") He could clarify your thinking my friend, you NEED and "intervention"....

Anyway, I'll heat up the Bar-B and grill you a steak! (I'll grill it anyway you want it, Black Angus Beef) a baked potato with butter and sour cream, real USA SWEET CORN)... then I'll take you flying in "Old Blue", I'll even give you a free flying lesson, bring your wife and kid, bring your new buddy analyzeverthing, the Mators are about ready in the garden, come on over man!
 
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LOL business school, what's ironic the biggest publicity for the S-400 was provided by the Pentagon; the LM Sales Dept.; the US defense journalists, and of course Western fanbois in "combined" attempts to "justify" an enormous investment into one-size-fits-all aircraft

it's doubly ironic now one of the original partners of the F-35 program leaves it to get its hyped threat

not sure if they'll teach this in a business school
Frankly I don't know what they teach these days in business school as I did my MBA more than 30 years ago. There were clearly diversity of subjects as the objective was to develop generalist and not specialist but bullshit and propaganda was definitely not in the program. I think you are confusing political studies with business studies. LOL.
 

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Frankly I don't know what they teach these days in business school as I did my MBA more than 30 years ago. There were clearly diversity of subjects as the objective was to develop generalist and not specialist but bullshit and propaganda was definitely not in the program. I think you are confusing political studies with business studies. LOL.
No doubt things have changed my friend! now we have raised a couple of generations of "snowflakes" in the West?? no BS Mr. Brumby, that should be your new "by line"!
 

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