Ladakh Flash Point


Petrolicious88

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Absolutely false. Surveys already show the vast majority in the ROC will not fight. Chinese people are the last kind of people to throw their lives away for something stupid like this when there is a booming economy and career to pursue; the PLA would have to act like the Japanese in WWII for there to even be the will to consider drawn out guerrilla (not gorilla LOL) warfare. And with modern day drone technology, that wouldn't last long either.

PLA airstrikes and missile strikes on all of their missile installations followed by landing to control major airports. Send in Chinese citizens by the droves to live on the island.

The ROC will reunite with the PRC and the CCP ain't going nowhere.
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Uh, how up to date are you regarding Taiwan's military? It's no longer the Israel of Asia, instead its more a Saudi Arabia.
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Which pretty much was the ROC's strategy with Japan during WWII, buying time and hoping the US to save its ass. I don't have much faith in its miltary and I've even heard talk of a military coup of the gov't and surrender in response to a Chinese invasion.
Taiwan is not going to invade China. It’s much easier to defend ur home turf. The geography and mountainous nature of Taiwan also makes invasion difficult.

invasion is only remotely feasible when China has secured the first and second island chain.

But invade Taiwan, peaceful reunification is still the best hope.
 

AndrewS

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My point is that the Indians seem to be hunkering down with their Sinophobia. It doesn't seem as though Beijing has any other choice to deal with the Indian problem; Modi seems to be the most Sinophilic Indian PM in years, and we get this.

China seems to only have the choice of strategic neutralization or not strategic neutralization.

Or, we can wait and see how bad coronavirus gets in India and what the strategic repercussions are.
The key thing to remember is what happened after the 1962 Sino-Indian war.

The Indian establishment couldn't afford to admit that India started the war and the absolute incompetence of the government and military in fighting that war, as per the Brooks-Henderson report.

At the time, India was at risk of disintegrating into different countries.

So it was better for the government, military, media and business to create a propaganda narrative that an aggressive China launched an unprovoked attack on India. That shifted blame from India to China, and also helped solidify Indian nationhood.

But now, the rational members of the Indian establishment are trapped by that Sinophobic narrative which has been pushed as the media mainstream for over 50 years now. And remember that the average Indian is not very sophisticated to say the least. Just look at income and literacy levels for example.

So China can't change such an embedded media narrative in India.

The Sinophobic media narrative in India will only change if India confronts the past, but neither Congress nor the BJP are interested in doing so. Exposing Nehru's mistakes would tarnish the image of the Congress Party, and the BJP aren't interested in having India cast as the villain rather than the victim in the 1962 war.

I think only a severe shock would force India to come to terms with the past and its Sinophobia.

But the only thing I can think of is if the Chinese Army defeats the India Army and liberates Kashmir. Then the Indian public is confronted with images of Kashmiris celebrating the end of the Indian Army occupation, along with images of Indian Army atrocities in Kashmir.

It forces India to confront a whole host of questions like:
1. Why did India lose yet another conflict?
2. What happened in the last Sino-Indian war?
3. Why was the Indian Army hated by the 7 million people in the Kashmir Valley?
4. Why do the Kashmiris reject the India state?
5. Was India wrong to occupy Kashmir?
6. Why were the Indian people told that China was intruding on Indian territory in Kashmir/Ladakh?
7. Was Kashmir/Ladakh actually Indian territory?
8. Did India deserve to lose to China?

But China's priorities lie in the Western Pacific, rather than in fighting a war with India.
 

coolieno99

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Is this real or fake?
Probably real. India is buying $ 8 billion of French jet fighters(36 planes). Production is 1 plane per month. It will take 36 months to complete the delivery. China should thank the French trade union at the Dassault factory for setting the painfully slow production schedule. The Dassault production workers want to keep their jobs long as possible. I think India just received 3 planes so far. They don't care about India's needs.
 

siegecrossbow

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The two most effective ways for China to invade Taiwan would be, first, to secure the First and Second Island Chains, and then drop troops and tanks on the undefended Taiwanese Pacific coast. The terrain is a complete nightmare, but when you compare that to a D-Day type invasion, a pincer hitting Taiwan from its mountains would be way more effective than landing on the coastal flats.

Moreover, when you consider how built-up Taiwan is, heavy armor might not be so advantageous given that it's either all mountains or all cities. Better to establish a beachhead from which Chinese artillery can pound Taiwan from the east than to drop into its heavily-defended west.

The other way would simply be to develop the subterrene the Russians keep bragging about, either steal it, buy it, or develop it on your own. Everyone is all thinking amphibious landing scenario, but what happens when you're digging at 20 km a day multiple tunnels to connect Taiwan to the mainland by a series of nigh-indestructable tunnels?

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Put another way, the Boring Company is trying to develop a conventional speed driller without nuclear propulsion. Much safer, much less risky technologically. Their goal is to reach approximately 1 km / day speeds.

Let us say that China develops a tunnel infrastructure to the halfway point along the Taiwan Strait, which averages 180 km. That means it takes 90 days of bombardment and disruption before China can splash multiple tunnels with ZTZ-99s rushing out and attacking an island which is no longer an island.

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It'd cost around 1 trillion USD for any tunnel invasion of Taiwan, but when you consider the alternatives, it's remarkably cheap.
That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard. You can’t keep something like an enormous tunnel construction a secret. Even if everyone in Fujian is tight lipped about it, you can easily detect construction via seismic activities.

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Figaro

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That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard. You can’t keep something like an enormous tunnel construction a secret. Even if everyone in Fujian is tight lipped about it, you can easily detect construction via seismic activities.

Please get back to topic!
I think @Inst got this idea from the North Koreans lol ... if I'm not mistaken they dug dozens of tunnels to serve as invasion routes after the Korean War. Quite a few were discovered but I'm sure there's more. Of course, digging a tunnel to Taiwan would be astronomically more difficult.
 

coolieno99

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Not all imports from China are toys and trinkets, dollar store stuff. Many imports are key industrial products. India import most of its chemical fertilizer from China. Without chemical fertilizer, India's food production would drop by 1/2 or worse. And millions would starve. Why India cannot or unable to manufacture its own chemical fertilizer? I leave that question to some old wise man to answer.
 

Petrolicious88

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That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard. You can’t keep something like an enormous tunnel construction a secret. Even if everyone in Fujian is tight lipped about it, you can easily detect construction via seismic activities.

Please get back to topic!
Hahahaha!
 

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