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No no. China cannot take Taiwan even without US support. A D-day style invasion is one of the hardest military maneuvers to pull off. And requires the element of surprise. In the case of taiwan, any PLAN preparation will be spotted weeks in advance giving Taiwanese forces ample time to prepare.

And even if china secures the beach landing, it faces a arduous task of fighting off Taiwanese gorilla warfare for years. Also remember, Taiwan is a very mountainous country, plenty of places for Taiwanese military to hide.

Only way China gets Taiwan is if the Taiwanese people actually want to reunify with China. And the only way that’s happening is if the two countries share similar political values. But under that scenario, the CCP has to go
Absolutely false. Surveys already show the vast majority in the ROC will not fight. Chinese people are the last kind of people to throw their lives away for something stupid like this when there is a booming economy and career to pursue; the PLA would have to act like the Japanese in WWII for there to even be the will to consider drawn out guerrilla (not gorilla LOL) warfare. And with modern day drone technology, that wouldn't last long either.

PLA airstrikes and missile strikes on all of their missile installations followed by landing to control major airports. Send in Chinese citizens by the droves to live on the island.

The ROC will reunite with the PRC and the CCP ain't going nowhere.
 

Inst

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@AndrewS

My point is that the Indians seem to be hunkering down with their Sinophobia. It doesn't seem as though Beijing has any other choice to deal with the Indian problem; Modi seems to be the most Sinophilic Indian PM in years, and we get this.

China seems to only have the choice of strategic neutralization or not strategic neutralization.

Or, we can wait and see how bad coronavirus gets in India and what the strategic repercussions are.
 

Figaro

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@AndrewS

My point is that the Indians seem to be hunkering down with their Sinophobia. It doesn't seem as though Beijing has any other choice to deal with the Indian problem; Modi seems to be the most Sinophilic Indian PM in years, and we get this.
So what are you suggesting here? War?
 

daifo

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How wide spread is actual sinophobia in India? At least looking a r/india , the conflict posts are not overwhelming and there is less hate than an avg day on r/worldnews , r/news , r/hongkong , r/whatevervideogame,blah,blah.

@AndrewS

My point is that the Indians seem to be hunkering down with their Sinophobia. It doesn't seem as though Beijing has any other choice to deal with the Indian problem; Modi seems to be the most Sinophilic Indian PM in years, and we get this.
 

Bob Smith

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How wide spread is actual sinophobia in India? At least looking a r/india , the conflict posts are not overwhelming and there is less hate than an avg day on r/worldnews , r/news , r/hongkong , r/whatevervideogame,blah,blah.
r/india isn't a good representation of the Indian population seeing as that sub hates Modi and he's their elected prime minister. I think the majority of it is left leaning diaspora. You should go to twitter, youtube comments, comments from their news websites to get a clearer view of what your average Indian thinks. It would make the most racist white supremacist blush at how racist one can be.
 

Figaro

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How wide spread is actual sinophobia in India? At least looking a r/india , the conflict posts are not overwhelming and there is less hate than an avg day on r/worldnews , r/news , r/hongkong , r/whatevervideogame,blah,blah.
Probably extremely widespread. You are talking about a country which suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Chinese in 1962 and whose people continue to believe China occupies Indian territory and conducts frequent land grabs. And I'm sure this sentiment has only gotten worse in recent decades as the China versus India gap has continually widened in terms of development, making the Indians very jealous of the Chinese success. The Indians have for some reason always seen China as their sole competitor which they need to overtake even though they are on completely different levels ... instead, they should be looking at how to out-compete Vietnam or Bangladesh in relevant economic sectors.
 

In4ser

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No no. China cannot take Taiwan even without US support. A D-day style invasion is one of the hardest military maneuvers to pull off. And requires the element of surprise. In the case of taiwan, any PLAN preparation will be spotted weeks in advance giving Taiwanese forces ample time to prepare.

And even if china secures the beach landing, it faces a arduous task of fighting off Taiwanese gorilla warfare for years. Also remember, Taiwan is a very mountainous country, plenty of places for Taiwanese military to hide.

Only way China gets Taiwan is if the Taiwanese people actually want to reunify with China. And the only way that’s happening is if the two countries share similar political values. But under that scenario, the CCP has to go
Uh, how up to date are you regarding Taiwan's military? It's no longer the Israel of Asia, instead its more a Saudi Arabia.
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Which pretty much was the ROC's strategy with Japan during WWII, buying time and hoping the US to save its ass. I don't have much faith in its miltary and I've even heard talk of a military coup of the gov't and surrender in response to a Chinese invasion.
 

Inst

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Uh, how up to date are you regarding Taiwan's military? It's no longer the Israel of Asia, instead its more a Saudi Arabia.
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Which pretty much was the ROC's strategy with Japan during WWII, buying time and hoping the US to save its ass. I don't have much faith in its miltary and I've even heard talk of a military coup of the gov't and surrender in response to a Chinese invasion.
The two most effective ways for China to invade Taiwan would be, first, to secure the First and Second Island Chains, and then drop troops and tanks on the undefended Taiwanese Pacific coast. The terrain is a complete nightmare, but when you compare that to a D-Day type invasion, a pincer hitting Taiwan from its mountains would be way more effective than landing on the coastal flats.

Moreover, when you consider how built-up Taiwan is, heavy armor might not be so advantageous given that it's either all mountains or all cities. Better to establish a beachhead from which Chinese artillery can pound Taiwan from the east than to drop into its heavily-defended west.

The other way would simply be to develop the subterrene the Russians keep bragging about, either steal it, buy it, or develop it on your own. Everyone is all thinking amphibious landing scenario, but what happens when you're digging at 20 km a day multiple tunnels to connect Taiwan to the mainland by a series of nigh-indestructable tunnels?

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Put another way, the Boring Company is trying to develop a conventional speed driller without nuclear propulsion. Much safer, much less risky technologically. Their goal is to reach approximately 1 km / day speeds.

Let us say that China develops a tunnel infrastructure to the halfway point along the Taiwan Strait, which averages 180 km. That means it takes 90 days of bombardment and disruption before China can splash multiple tunnels with ZTZ-99s rushing out and attacking an island which is no longer an island.

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It'd cost around 1 trillion USD for any tunnel invasion of Taiwan, but when you consider the alternatives, it's remarkably cheap.
 
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