Ladakh Flash Point

DarkStar · Jul 24, 2021

ansy1968 said:
@DarkStar bro if your founding father (Nehru) LIED to you, then history had been retold to suit his agenda. Its a crime for them to accept his mistake. Now they will argue the same with Mao, which is correct in certain degree but we know and acknowledge his mistake which forces us to reform, to reflect and to correct, without self criticism we can't move forward. That is what the Indians needed a self reflection otherwise they will dwell on the past claiming victimhood which they are not.

Sadly we both know that Indians are prideful and are already filled with too much envy and hatred for China for simply succeeding where they have failed; they are a race of people who only respect violence and force and sneer at and bully those who are weaker than them.
I actually think it must come to swords not because China or Chinese people want to go to war with India but because like the Sino-Viet war of '79, India has to be taught a lesson not to F around with China

ansy1968 · Jul 24, 2021

Kaine said:
Happy to see people from India participating in this forum. Hopefully you are a normal guy, unlike the usual Jai Hind crowd we usually get

Good

Tibetans are really returning back to Tibet. Nobody is lying to you on this matter. If you check the statistics Tibet's GDP has grown 3x from 2010 to 2019. This is huge improvement and naturally Tibetans who left are now coming back
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Honestly, we are all just making assumptions. Nobody knows why the visit was relatively a bit more quiet than visits on other provinces. Unless you or anyone else is in the Politburo then we are just talking out of air. I personally think that it was deliberately a bit more secret due to various of reasons, the flooding, the US/India tensions and maybe for a couple other reasons.

However I heavily doubt that personal safety/protection played a big role on this.

Ok I will bite. Very simple, your genious of leader with his Kashmir announcement broke strategic trust between India + Pakistan/China.

That you (I mean your country) then attacked, ambushed and killed Chinese soldiers trying to take advantage of the percieved weakness of China at that moment (during trade war, covid in China, things were looking pretty bad for it then) was a blatant provocation and a big strategic turn from the usual Indian' diplomacy.

Ofc China is not a muppet, so it immediately counterattacked and gained a sizeable portion of India's claimed land. Since then China has agreed to withdraw on some areas after India agreed on certain conditions.

However make no mistake, China will not withdraw from its current gains unless India offers something valuable in return instead of its usual talk

I answered above, but I understand why they are ignoring it. Almost every week we have Indians joining and asking the same questions, baiting other members and trolling.

Believe it or not, I would say that half (yes, half), of all posts on this thread had something to do with Indian members coming here, and trolling the thread

@Kaine ....hahaha really miss you bro, your wit and give him some slack, we need someone like him to educate us about India, If he live there?

ansy1968 · Jul 24, 2021

DarkStar said:
Sadly we both know that Indians are prideful and are already filled with too much envy and hatred for China for simply succeeding where they have failed; they are a race of people who only respect violence and force and sneer at and bully those who are weaker than them.
I actually think it must come to swords not because China or Chinese people want to go to war with India but because like the Sino-Viet war of '79, India has to be taught a lesson not to F around with China

@DarkStar bro I will say the same with us Chinese until being humble a century ago by foreign powers. What save us is the CPC, it may sound like a paid advert but being a student of history the struggle that led to the founding of modern China is immense, the hardship with the Long March as an example. That epic march set the stage for the revitalization of the Chinese nation, it produced quality leaders that is dedicated ,know the problem and the sacrifice. While the Indians inherited the British system with its leaders wanted to be a modern day British Raj. In other words their leaders choose the easy way out rather than do the hard work of nation building.

Kaine · Jul 24, 2021

ansy1968 said:
@DarkStar bro I will say the same with us Chinese until being humble a century ago by foreign powers. What save us is the CPC, it may sound like a paid advert but being a student of history the struggle that led to the founding of modern China is immense, the hardship with the Long March as an example. That epic march set the stage for the revitalization of the Chinese nation, it produced quality leaders that is dedicated ,know the problem and the sacrifice. While the Indians inherited the British system with its leaders wanted to be a modern day British Raj. In other words their leaders choose the easy way out rather than do the hard work of nation building.

To sum up, the Chinese fought for their own country, got bloody, got dirty but they stood up with their own 2 feet.

On the other hand India was handed everything in a golden platter by Britain, without having to fight for anything.

As a result, the poor Chinese took very seriously the country's development in order to stop anyone else from trying to attack China again. While the poor Indians took everything in granted and rested on the belief that everything was ok

DarkStar · Jul 24, 2021

Kaine said:
To sum up, the Chinese fought for their own country, got bloody, got dirty but they stood up with their own 2 feet.

On the other hand India was handed everything in a golden platter by Britain, without having to fight for anything.

As a result, the poor Chinese took very seriously the country's development in order to stop anyone else from trying to attack China again. While the poor Indians took everything in granted and rested on the belief that everything was ok

They were handed everything with the understanding that they would continue to act as sepoy slave soldiers, compradors to the white anglo supremacist project.
Look at how many Indian elites moved their families and assets to London or the US, such that someone like Priti Patel behaves like the Kiron Skinner of the UK, a coloured "house negro" who supports the very same system of oppression against her own blood.

India will never be another china because it's not free; in fact look at any asian or latin american or south asian state where the anglo led west has dug its deep hooks in, like the Philipinnes, or india: poverty stricken, debauched broken societies where the ppl can only aspire to serve white tourists as sex slaves in Thailand or child prostitutes in the Philippines, or "eat, pray love" white women instagram types in India, or for white ppl to feel superior (look up slum tourism).

China broke the mould and in so doing, threatens the white anglo system of exploitation.

ansy1968 · Jul 24, 2021

Kaine said:
To sum up, the Chinese fought for their own country, got bloody, got dirty but they stood up with their own 2 feet.

On the other hand India was handed everything in a golden platter by Britain, without having to fight for anything.

As a result, the poor Chinese took very seriously the country's development in order to stop anyone else from trying to attack China again. While the poor Indians took everything in granted and rested on the belief that everything was ok

@Kaine bro you sum it up very well, If I'm your history teacher I give you an A+ with a promotion to Major.

Xizor · Jul 24, 2021

siegecrossbow said:
More like oxygen concentrators and non-imported jackets/winter gear that don’t cost an arm and a leg.

I mean.. that too. But i think they can source some good North Face jackets and gear from US. It might eat into their budget ( 17 to 20 percent of government spending ) but hey... National security, right?

tallgamer said:
Complete nonsense. Even on a anonymous forum you guys are conditioned to lie through your teeth.
The rearrangement of jk state into union territory effects china in no way. The autonomous powers given to jk were done internally by India long before china was ever involved. It was a arrangement between the Indian state and jk after Pakistan tried to militarily occupy jk in 1947.
To present this as justification for the incursions is just dishonesty.
China shoved a large number of troops into no mans land and India was as usual reacting.
And atleast you admitted you have no idea why the Chinese boss has to quietly skunk into a happy and prosperous province... But everyone else is quite aware.
The GDP numbers are reflective of the uncontrolled migration of han Chinese into tibet.

And i have read a lot of the thread. Very few non Chinese here.
The fact is this thread depends on input from the independent Indian media.
Because you aren't getting any explanations from the communist government. Whether on ladakh or xi's visit.

So India must have no problem if China changes the administrative layout for Aksai Chin or Pakistan on Pakistan Kashmir. But contrary to your position, Indian government has placed concerns on any change on these territories. What should India's problem be if CPEC passes through what is Pakistani and Chinese controlled areas then?

The fact is beyond the confines of India, Kashmir as a whole is disputed land. That's the reason why international organizations often create maps with Kashmir having an overlay or dotted line as a whole and Indian government raising objections.

This is a BBC article from 2011 on this

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GDP growth is initiated indeed largely due to non tibetans migration into tibet. How else is GDP supposed to grow ? Flow of entrepreneural and educated populace kickstarts GDP growth and the local populace grows with them. Unless the local populace is suffering from per capita income decrease and the migratory population is enjoying income increase ... which isn't the case. Rural Tibet is largely ethnic tibetan and urban having a mix. Both rural and urban GDP has been increasing.

Silence is a virtue and strength, especially when in military matters. I still remember Indians discussing about how their media and even military is responsible for loss of Information warfare to Pakistan Air skirmish of 2019 and initial border clashes with China.

ZeEa5KPul · Jul 24, 2021

tallgamer said:
Typical whataboutism in a Indo Tibetan border thread.

Your little rhetorical microaggressions haven't gone unnoticed. It's not the Indo "Tibetan" border, it's the India China border and it's being drawn where China wants it to be.

manqiangrexue said:
Mars lander upside down

I think you mean lunar lander. India couldn't dream of launching a Mars lander.

manqiangrexue said:
shoots down its own chopper by mistake

I'm actually impressed by this - it means they were able to find a helicopter and shoot it down successfully. I would have expected a failed attempt to shoot down their own helicopter.

tallgamer said:
Its funny when someone says we dont think about India much

That was correct until fairly recently. For instance, I didn't even know that China squashed India in 1962; if I were to name a significant historical event in 1962, I would have said "Cuban Missile Crisis." But given India's recent provocations, that's changed. Congratulations, you've graduated from China's indifference to China's disdain and mockery. Keep at it and India will graduate to problem and you'll see just how correct India is when it says "it's not 1962.

ansy1968 · Jul 24, 2021

liamban said:
I can't believe these posters are actually Indians, they are here to drag India's reputation through the dung and have you believe a human would imbibe bovine secretions.

@liamban bro let us not demeaned and be like them, I'm not trying to be a saint but thru discussion and enlightening your opponent is the best and most satisfying feeling one can get.

siegecrossbow · Jul 24, 2021

ZeEa5KPul said:
Your little rhetorical microaggressions haven't gone unnoticed. It's not the Indo "Tibetan" border, it's the India China border and it's being drawn where China wants it to be.

I think you mean lunar lander. India couldn't dream of launching a Mars lander.

I'm actually impressed by this - it means they were able to find a helicopter and shoot it down successfully. I would have expected a failed attempt to shoot down their own helicopter.

That was correct until fairly recently. For instance, I didn't even know that China squashed India in 1962; if I were to name a significant historical event in 1962, I would have said "Cuban Missile Crisis." But given India's recent provocations, that's changed. Congratulations, you've graduated from China's indifference to China's disdain and mockery. Keep at it and India will graduate to problem and you'll see just how correct India is when it says "it's not 1962.

Israelis missiles are very reliable when it comes to shooting down enemy, or in this case, friendly targets. China has access to both Python-3 and R-73 but mass produced the former in the form of PL-8. Go figure.

Ironically, I think if the Indian SAM operators used Akash instead of SPYDER, maybe the chopper crew would've survived.

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