Ladakh Flash Point

twineedle said:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean well, but these kinds of posts won't be taken very positively. If you wish to participate in this thread, I would reccommend simply posting relavent news.

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Are you looking for pats from them ? I am not. I am a Indian on a Chinese forum and will present my viewpoints without being personal or derogatory.
I was just replying to the Chinese guys claiming that tibetans were happily returning to Tibet and preferred the communist regime. Now they are claiming the head of the regime has to be protected from protests from tibetans , so the secrecy.
What i wanted from this forum was the Chinese view why they diverted a sizable force into no mans land and precipitated the crisis. But they are totally ignoring the question.
Even a arrogant but frank admission that xi wants to stamp his mark on Chinese history would be welcome. So the incursions. Why not be frank on a anonymous site ? Not as if the thought police will arrest you.
Its funny when someone says we dont think about India much, on a forum where the ladakh thread seems to be the longest. And populated by Chinese comments. Haha.

Flavius Josephus ...


"forcing the language" invented a word in Greek to explain to his readers what "our colonial project" was like

"Theocracy"

which means: a small aristocratic ruling class and a lot of serfs

in times of priestly Judaism (-70) the priestly aristocracy ruled over "the people of the land" in the name of God, in the name of Tradition and with the backing of Rome

Tibet was another very good example of "Teocracy"

the little god of my tribe, a Great Rag Doll in the hands of palace ventriloquists ... is the God of the heavens ... it is a very old trick to cheat peasants

tallgamer said:

Are you looking for pats from them ? I am not. I am a Indian on a Chinese forum and will present my viewpoints without being personal or derogatory.
I was just replying to the Chinese guys claiming that tibetans were happily returning to Tibet and preferred the communist regime. Now they are claiming the head of the regime has to be protected from protests from tibetans , so the secrecy.
What i wanted from this forum was the Chinese view why they diverted a sizable force into no mans land and precipitated the crisis. But they are totally ignoring the question.
Even a arrogant but frank admission that xi wants to stamp his mark on Chinese history would be welcome. So the incursions. Why not be frank on a anonymous site ? Not as if the thought police will arrest you.
Its funny when someone says we dont think about India much, on a forum where the ladakh thread seems to be the longest. And populated by Chinese comments. Haha.

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You need to scroll back the pages if you earnestly want the discussion on the reasons for the crisis and Chinese viewpoint. I don't think you are interested in doing that and would rather get another few pages of replies on the "reasons of clash" which has been done over and over again.
You earlier enquired about knowing the opinions of Chinese people on the clash and the truth that most- even those who have opinions on national security and border issues- aren't informed or give much care to India/ Indians and the border clash may disappoint you.

The Ladakh thread isn't the longest. All other threads are broken down into parts except for a few like this. With all the things India has been going through lately, it is only natural to have disappointment and frustration but coming over to a defense forum and try ruffle some feathers with flamebait is a bad move.

Richard Santos said:

The suggestion that Free Tibet’s influence must be on the wane because it was not privy to secrets a highly authoritarian surveillance state undoubtedly considers high on national and domestic security priority list is interesting, It suggest a belief on the part of the person making the suggestion that anyone with any influence ought to be privy to any secret, which in turn suggest an attitude that regards treasonous corruption in the institutions of power as endemic and the normal way things are.

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You cannot make a ceremonial visit to multiple locations to meet multiple personages, civil and military in secret. How would anyone else know they needed to turn up?
Is it clear that many people were aware of the visit and its itinerary.
The Tibetan Government in Exile presents itself to the world as the legitimate government of a Separatist Tibet and represent the true aspiration and hold the true affection of the Tibetan people. If this were the case, the local authority would be riddled with sympathisers and Moles (Resistance) at all level and there would be no way that this information would not very quickly pass on to Dharamshala and be acted upon.

Clearly this did not happen and there is only one serious logical explanation.....

Richard Santos said:

The suggestion that Free Tibet’s influence must be on the wane because it was not privy to secrets a highly authoritarian surveillance state undoubtedly considers high on national and domestic security priority list is interesting, It suggest a belief on the part of the person making the suggestion that anyone with any influence ought to be privy to any secret, which in turn suggest an attitude that regards treasonous corruption in the institutions of power as endemic and the normal way things are.

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Lol what the hell are you talking about. He’s saying that the visit wasn’t even a secret due to the number of civilians making arrangements yet the opposition was caught unaware. You are the only one here making nonsensical suggestions.

manqiangrexue said:

What's this you're talking about? The Chinese premier didn't tell everyone where he was going in a timely manner? LOL What's with the microscope? You have India: aircraft carrier on fire, submarine underwater with the hatch open, Mars lander upside down, shoots down its own chopper by mistake, soldiers running to thier deaths in frozen steams the second a fight starts, farmer protests paralyzing the capital, economy in recession, so many COVID deaths they broke the numbering system with corpses being BBQd in piles on the street and you're worried about why the Chinese premier's itinerary wasn't updated to the public in realtime?

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You underestimate strunnk indians, they can take it. They have been getting their azz whopped as long as they existed, yet they are here.
Strunk, proud & ready to get their azz whopped all over again.

tallgamer said:

Its funny when someone says we dont think about India much, on a forum where the ladakh thread seems to be the longest. And populated by Chinese comments. Haha.

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What funny is an indian coming in a chinese forum with 10 message already having the knowledge that this in longest thread, that was fast
Chinese will not comment about their military then who is gonna comment about them? only USA? You funny people thought China was showing love to your india? That's cute

Richard Santos said:

The suggestion that Free Tibet’s influence must be on the wane

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For school failed population who can't find their own country on map, you people sure keep producing lots of farce full of word games. There is more substance in California independence than Tibet.

Richard Santos said:

because it was not privy to secrets a highly authoritarian surveillance state

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Hmmmm

tallgamer said:

I am a Indian on a Chinese forum

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Happy to see people from India participating in this forum. Hopefully you are a normal guy, unlike the usual Jai Hind crowd we usually get

tallgamer said:

and will present my viewpoints without being personal or derogatory.

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Good

tallgamer said:

I was just replying to the Chinese guys claiming that tibetans were happily returning to Tibet and preferred the communist regime.

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Tibetans are really returning back to Tibet. Nobody is lying to you on this matter. If you check the statistics Tibet's GDP has grown 3x from 2010 to 2019. This is huge improvement and naturally Tibetans who left are now coming back

tallgamer said:

Now they are claiming the head of the regime has to be protected from protests from tibetans , so the secrecy.

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Honestly, we are all just making assumptions. Nobody knows why the visit was relatively a bit more quiet than visits on other provinces. Unless you or anyone else is in the Politburo then we are just talking out of air. I personally think that it was deliberately a bit more secret due to various of reasons, the flooding, the US/India tensions and maybe for a couple other reasons.

However I heavily doubt that personal safety/protection played a big role on this.

tallgamer said:

What i wanted from this forum was the Chinese view why they diverted a sizable force into no mans land and precipitated the crisis

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Ok I will bite. Very simple, your genious of leader with his Kashmir announcement broke strategic trust between India + Pakistan/China.

That you (I mean your country) then attacked, ambushed and killed Chinese soldiers trying to take advantage of the percieved weakness of China at that moment (during trade war, covid in China, things were looking pretty bad for it then) was a blatant provocation and a big strategic turn from the usual Indian' diplomacy.

Ofc China is not a muppet, so it immediately counterattacked and gained a sizeable portion of India's claimed land. Since then China has agreed to withdraw on some areas after India agreed on certain conditions.

However make no mistake, China will not withdraw from its current gains unless India offers something valuable in return instead of its usual talk

tallgamer said:

But they are totally ignoring the question.

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I answered above, but I understand why they are ignoring it. Almost every week we have Indians joining and asking the same questions, baiting other members and trolling.

tallgamer said:

Its funny when someone says we dont think about India much, on a forum where the ladakh thread seems to be the longest

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Believe it or not, I would say that half (yes, half), of all posts on this thread had something to do with Indian members coming here, and trolling the thread

The thing to watch regarding Tibet is more, well, two things: per capita GDP, as well as income distribution between ethnic Tibetans and the Han population.