Chinese Economics Thread


horse

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Hi horse,

hahaha I admired your confidence :D :D :D , well IF the purpose of your loan is to help, then you had done a good thing. If not then you had a valid reason to never loan him again. It's how you value your friendship, I hope my advise may suffice, you know the Asian way, charge it to experience....
Hi ansy1968, I actually had a hidden point to my silly story!

I took the chance that you might like it, and laugh! I bet on football and it won for a change, so I laugh, and go silly.

"Prism, Prism, on the wall,
Who is the most trustworthy one of all?"

Remember that? That was actually February, not last February but two February's ago in Spain.

:oops:

That was when this Huawei versus the US government fight was a at fever pitch.

This fight is going for 2 years!

The allies have promised that they do something about Huawei, to their friend the United States.

The donkey have promised that he will do something, aka pay horse back that $100, and that has been 2 years as well.

In that way, it was the same. A promise was made, 2 years ago.

And donkey still has not come through and pay me horse back.

But horse is fully confident that without a doubt donkey will pay me back.

Realistically, it does not really matter, if donkey actually does pay horse pay, I probably just gonna lose that $100 bucks on betting football next week.

:p
 

ansy1968

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US economic sanction is no joke. Countries won't able to access dollar institutions. Why they risk that by buying China tech goods?
Hi TD739,

Yup, it's like a Damocles sword hanging over your head, which country would want to be under that situation. Guess what only China had the ability to undo that. The US should thread carefully, if push come to shove and China produce an alternative, it will be an avalanche with the US being the victim.
 

TD739

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Hi TD739,

Yup, it's like a Damocles sword hanging over your head, which country would want to be under that situation. Guess what only China had the ability to undo that. The US should thread carefully, if push come to shove and China produce an alternative, it will be an avalanche with the US being the victim.
Even China solved the semiconductor issue it still will be boxed in by US.

In order to trigger the avalanche it will need to change things geopolitically. Highsea controlled by US therefore land route to west has to be established.

The current belt and road is too shaky.

Personally I feel it needs to dismember India.

Forming military alliance with russia and collectively force many countries into their sphere of influence. Allies are formed by hard military power. Only after that I can see Chinese tech can spread to those countries.

The day China can compete against US militarily across the globe that's the time Chinese tech can spread.
 
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US had intercepted China ship before like milkyway to Iran. China minimal nuke stance doesn't mean much. It's only retaliatory strike on home land. Even India willing to challenge China at border. At highsea forget it. Its nuke power status is not much.

Other countries are scared being intercepted by US Navy at highsea.
Almost all countries scared by US sanction. Just look at foreigb companies stop supplying Huawei.


Can't take the easy way out. Countries won't just accept China eventually. It's an order being imposed upon.

You don't change geopolitically not much will changed. And it doesn't have to be WWIII.

Even China solved the semiconductor issue it still will be boxed in by US.

In order to trigger the avalanche it will need to change things geopolitically. Highsea controlled by US therefore land route to west has to be established.

The current belt and road is too shaky.

Personally I feel it needs to dismember India.

Forming military alliance with russia and collectively force many countries into their sphere of influence. Allies are formed by hard military power. Only after that I can see Chinese tech can spread to those countries.

The day China can compete against US militarily across the globe that's the time Chinese tech can spread.
Yinhe Incident was 1993; China was an insect compared to today. While nuclear power doesn't mean that there will be a nuclear strike in retaliation to a ship check, it does mean that future ships can be escorted and incidents can quickly escalate into military confrontation with a nuclear power.

China already has land routes for shipping to the West. Air routes too. Even without the Belt and Road, those routes were not in jeopardy.

Countries have stopped supplying Huawei because they are afraid of losing access to the American IP in their supply chains; many are even developing their own solutions so that they can continue to supply Huawei. You knew this in your alternate accounts. They did NOT stop supplying Huawei because the US threatened to beat the crap out of them. When that day comes, the US will have irreversibly become the universal global villain. It's not a day to dread.

Nobody is taking the easy way out; China is developing its own semiconductor/lithography tech all the while building its military at the fasting pace in the world. However, you cannot "impose" your tech on others by military power as you seem to suggest doing for obvious reasons. Your obsession with forcing Chinese tech on the West when there is still so much development room left in China and in developing countries is a childish sickness comparable to America's temper tantrum on Huawei. There's basically no point to anything that you're saying because it's either wrong or redundant. China's already taking all of the routes, both peaceful/normal business routes and the routes of martial power to ensure its future success.
 
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OppositeDay

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Even China solved the semiconductor issue it still will be boxed in by US.

In order to trigger the avalanche it will need to change things geopolitically. Highsea controlled by US therefore land route to west has to be established.

The current belt and road is too shaky.

Personally I feel it needs to dismember India.

Forming military alliance with russia and collectively force many countries into their sphere of influence. Allies are formed by hard military power. Only after that I can see Chinese tech can spread to those countries.

The day China can compete against US militarily across the globe that's the time Chinese tech can spread.
Seriously, no. If U.S. is to brazenly intercept ships on China's maritime trade routes (note that those ships are not always Chinese-owned or registered), then nothing is stopping it from bombing Euraisan land routes. In fact it's far far cheaper to bomb railways and roads than to enforce a maritime blockade.
 

Gatekeeper

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To be honest, western consumer markets have been decimated since 2008. This is mainly why China's growth rates pre-2008 are less than their growth rates post-2008; can't rely on export-oriented growth if your main export markets in the West have collapsed.
???? Do you mean post-2008 and pre-2008 respectively?
 

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