China demographics thread.


gadgetcool5

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You CAN turn the tide and you MUST turn the tide. Pointing to the US as an example makes no sense because US births aren't falling at 18 percent a year. Even if China can maintain stability in the birth rate similar to the US, it would be a win compared to what's going on now.
 

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China baby bonus: company offers cash bonuses and extra paid maternity and paternity leave​

Da Bei Nong Group, an agricultural technology company in Beijing, is offering up to 90,000 yuan (US$14,124) in cash and extra leave of up to 12 months for female staff and an extra nine days for males, if they are expecting a baby, the National Business Daily reported on Monday.

Employees of the company will be rewarded with 30,000 yuan (US$4,708) for having their first child, and the amount will double for the second and triple for the third, according to a plan recently released by the company.

The firm, established in 1993 and headquartered in Beijing, had a revenue of 23.4 billion yuan (US$3.6 billion) in the first three quarters of 2021.

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China baby bonus: company offers cash bonuses and extra paid maternity and paternity leave​

Da Bei Nong Group, an agricultural technology company in Beijing, is offering up to 90,000 yuan (US$14,124) in cash and extra leave of up to 12 months for female staff and an extra nine days for males, if they are expecting a baby, the National Business Daily reported on Monday.

Employees of the company will be rewarded with 30,000 yuan (US$4,708) for having their first child, and the amount will double for the second and triple for the third, according to a plan recently released by the company.

The firm, established in 1993 and headquartered in Beijing, had a revenue of 23.4 billion yuan (US$3.6 billion) in the first three quarters of 2021.

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@gadgetcool5 bro the solution, make your place livable , be more open and improve the quality of life and Wallah !!! we may open a thread about China immigrant problem...lol. China within 15 years will have an immigration problem, the only thing that is holding it back now is the language. As the opportunity beckons in the East, people will migrate, as happen constantly in history.

And CCP is preparing, that is what Common Prosperity is all about, having children without the necessary infrastructure support is doom to fail.
 

BlackWindMnt

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@gadgetcool5 bro the solution, make your place livable , be more open and improve the quality of life and Wallah !!! we may open a thread about China immigrant problem...lol. China within 15 years will have an immigration problem, the only thing that is holding it back now is the language. As the opportunity beckons in the East, people will migrate, as happen constantly in history.

And CCP is preparing, that is what Common Prosperity is all about, having children without the necessary infrastructure support is doom to fail.
Maybe focus on the Chinese rural population its usually where the baby waves come from I was told. I'm from a rural area in western Europe and most of my blue collar friends right now have their second child some are planning a third child. City folks like me are either childless or only have one child late like in their mid 30s. Given strong urbanization rate in the west the rural to urban migration is kind of broken.

Maybe common prosperity might keep some folks in the rural areas and be the baby booming base. Don't get me wrong in rural Europe life is pretty cheap, doable and people are less pressured to produce perfect AAAA rate children that can compete in a urban environment like city folks.
 

ansy1968

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Maybe focus on the Chinese rural population its usually where the baby waves come from I was told. I'm from a rural area in western Europe and most of my blue collar friends right now have their second child some are planning a third child. City folks like me are either childless or only have one child late like in their mid 30s. Given strong urbanization rate in the west the rural to urban migration is kind of broken.

Maybe common prosperity might keep some folks in the rural areas and be the baby booming base. Don't get me wrong in rural Europe life is pretty cheap, doable and people are less pressured to produce perfect AAAA rate children that can compete in a urban environment like city folks.
@BlackWindMnt bro since you had lived in the Phil, you had seen a lot of Chinese Immigrant, most of them arrived in the late 90's and mid 2000. That was the period where large numbers of Chinese seek opportunities abroad, In our case most of those who came were farmers and they thrive with multiple children...lol. Farmers usually had an attachment to the land and therefore had the tendency to return, their children like me are First generation and are adoptable, especially being educated and able to speak both languages. As I said Opportunities beckons from the East, as the case of our forefathers we may see a reverse immigration. With the world full of hatred , despair and malice. China seems attractive, an Oasis in the dessert of doom and gloom.
 

Abominable

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Maybe focus on the Chinese rural population its usually where the baby waves come from I was told. I'm from a rural area in western Europe and most of my blue collar friends right now have their second child some are planning a third child. City folks like me are either childless or only have one child late like in their mid 30s. Given strong urbanization rate in the west the rural to urban migration is kind of broken.

Maybe common prosperity might keep some folks in the rural areas and be the baby booming base. Don't get me wrong in rural Europe life is pretty cheap, doable and people are less pressured to produce perfect AAAA rate children that can compete in a urban environment like city folks.
The rural setting is the only one where having children makes economic sense. The cost of living is cheaper - land is cheap, which means more space. More children is more hands to work on the farm.

In the modern urban context children are very expensive. Probably the biggest "purchase" you'll ever make. When I was in university one of the there was a bigger push towards compensating families towards having children, given women work benefits. Initial positive results lead to speculation that the fertility drop was temporary like the "baby boom" period post ww2.

Many years on, fertility rates have continued to drop. Despite the incentives people still recognise that it's too expensive to have children.

In some societies like African ones there is a religious or cultural impetuous to have children. Africa's entire population in 1950 was 200 million. Today that's Nigeria's population alone. In the same time Europe's population hasn't changed much.
 

BlackWindMnt

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@BlackWindMnt bro since you had lived in the Phil, you had seen a lot of Chinese Immigrant, most of them arrived in the late 90's and mid 2000. That was the period where large numbers of Chinese seek opportunities abroad, In our case most of those who came were farmers and they thrive with multiple children...lol. Farmers usually had an attachment to the land and therefore had the tendency to return, their children like me are First generation and are adoptable, especially being educated and able to speak both languages. As I said Opportunities beckons from the East, as the case of our forefathers we may see a reverse immigration. With the world full of hatred , despair and malice. China seems attractive, an Oasis in the dessert of doom and gloom.
I have not lived in the Philippines, only in the last few years we try to visit the family more and more given that it might be last time we could see our lola she is approaching her 90th birthday.

My great grandfather was one of those Chinese that went to the Philippines to seek opportunities before imperial Japan went crazy in Asia. He had quiet some children just like my lola she had 7 children post ww2. All possible because my grandfather bought a piece of land my family could use to live cheaper.
 

ansy1968

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I have not lived in the Philippines, only in the last few years we try to visit the family more and more given that it might be last time we could see our lola she is approaching her 90th birthday.

My great grandfather was one of those Chinese that went to the Philippines to seek opportunities before imperial Japan went crazy in Asia. He had quiet some children just like my lola she had 7 children post ww2. All possible because my grandfather bought a piece of land my family could use to live cheaper.
@BlackWindMnt bro same , my father(age 12) witness the Japanese atrocity and some of the troops are native Taiwanese were my father befriend them before the Battle of Manila.
 

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Weibo bars Chinese economist's posts after suggestion to boost birth rate​


BEIJING, Jan 13 (Reuters) - A high-profile Chinese economist has been banned from posting on the Weibo social media platform after drawing controversy over suggestions that the central bank set up a $314 billion "fertility fund" to encourage people to have more babies.

The Weibo account of Ren Zeping, a former chief economist for debt-laden property giant China Evergrande Group
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, where he has 3.6 million followers, carries a notice saying that "due to violations of related laws and regulations, the user is currently banned from posting."

It did not elaborate on what particular law or regulation he was deemed to have violated. The birthrate in the world's most populous country has been a concern of authorities for generations.

The ban, imposed on Wednesday, will last two weeks, according to the state-run Securities Times newspaper, citing unidentified sources.


Ren this week published two essays suggesting that the "most pragmatic and most effective" way to increase China's plunging birth rate would be for the central bank to print 2 trillion yuan ($314 billion) for a fertility fund to be distributed as monthly cash payments for every child.

Ren wrote that if the central bank followed his suggestion, China could add 50 million births over the next decade, pushing its birth rate above the replacement rate and preventing a decrease in the overall population.


Ren did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

For decades, China imposed a strict "one child" policy to limit population growth.


The birth rate in 2020 dropped to a record-low of 8.52 births per 1,000 people, or below 1%, official statistics showed last November and in May, the government announced that married couples may have up to three children in a bid to boost births.

Ren's essays, originally published on his WeChat account and reposted to Weibo where they drew widespread discussion, were no longer available on either platform on Thursday.

His WeChat account, however, remains active although he did not post anything new after the Weibo ban. The Securities Times also reported that the Weibo ban did not apply to other social media platforms.

No stranger to controversy, Ren began his career as an economist with the research arm of China's State Council, or cabinet. He rose to fame for accurately predicting the peak and crash of China's stock market in 2015.

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