China demographics thread.


gadgetcool5

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It's worth having a place to discuss the demographics of China in comparison to various countries.

Number of newborns in China drops 15% in 2020 as coronavirus weighs​

BEIJING/SHANGHAI (Reuters) - The number of newborns in China plummeted 15% in 2020 from a year earlier, according to the Ministry of Public Security, with the onset of the novel coronavirus disrupting the economy and weighing on decisions to have a family.

China saw 10.035 million births last year, the ministry said on Monday, compared with 11.79 million in 2019. Of those born last year, 52.7% were boys and 47.3% girls.

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Comment: This is births reported to the police only, not total births. In 2019, there were 14.65 million total births, down from 17.86 million in 2016. An extrapolation of the above numbers would yield approximately 12.48 million births this year. If this is true then births would have dropped by 31% since 2016 alone.
 

ansy1968

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It's worth having a place to discuss the demographics of China in comparison to various countries.

Number of newborns in China drops 15% in 2020 as coronavirus weighs​

BEIJING/SHANGHAI (Reuters) - The number of newborns in China plummeted 15% in 2020 from a year earlier, according to the Ministry of Public Security, with the onset of the novel coronavirus disrupting the economy and weighing on decisions to have a family.

China saw 10.035 million births last year, the ministry said on Monday, compared with 11.79 million in 2019. Of those born last year, 52.7% were boys and 47.3% girls.

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Comment: This is births reported to the police only, not total births. In 2019, there were 14.65 million total births, down from 17.86 million in 2016. An extrapolation of the above numbers would yield approximately 12.48 million births this year. If this is true then births would have dropped by 31% since 2016 alone.
@gadgetcool5

Well from that report all I can surmise is that Chinese women do have the freedom to choose how to lived their lives. They had broken the norm of the traditional Chinese culture. Is it bad? if you ask a Chinese man definitely, but having 3 children and sharing the burden of raising them, I understand my wife better. Fortunately I lived in a place where I can hire cheap help, and I see how damaging to a country of having uncontrolled population growth to the environment and society, especially women.
 

Appix

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Low birth rates will become a world wide problem. Already is a huge issue for a lot of countries but this will only increase in scale as this century progress further. The age of big or even medium sized families is slowly but surely coming to and end on global scale.
 

sndef888

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I think low birthrate is an issue for China, despite all the optimistic claims saying otherwise.

Especially since this is no longer the old world where only China has the ability to sustain a large population. America's incredibly lucky geography means they could possibly fit a billion people or more. For China to hold on to its historical position as the world power it needs to ensure the US never manages to get close to its manpower

The historical concerns the CCP has had (food, energy security) will disappear as tech improves, through renewable energy and high tech farming

China needs least 1.5-1.75 billion
 

ansy1968

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I think low birthrate is an issue for China, despite all the optimistic claims saying otherwise.

Especially since this is no longer the old world where only China has the ability to sustain a large population. America's incredibly lucky geography means they could possibly fit a billion people or more. For China to hold on to its historical position as the world power it needs to ensure the US never manages to get close to its manpower

The historical concerns the CCP has had (food, energy security) will disappear as tech improves, through renewable energy and high tech farming

China needs least 1.5-1.75 billion
@sndef888

Bro I greatly disagree, the Earth can't support that much people, with climate change it's difficult for developing nation (a perfect example is India) who relied on the weather to irrigated their land to produce food, right now it stress the world resources with the addition of China 400 millions middle class (who demanded the same living standard as that of the west) plus more coming on this coming decade (560 million). With that it produce tension and maybe war as China compete with the rest of the world for resources.
 

hashtagpls

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i'm going to take a contrarian view and advocate for a Hungarian style 3 child policy, pro family promotion policy for Chinese citizens.

This can be undertaken via either:
1) A government supported loan equivalent to about 900k USD granted to the young family to be paid back at a very low interest rate within the next 20 years (inflation adjusted), with the loan amount halved after the birth of the second child, and the entire loan forgiven after the birth of the 3rd child.
2) Family friendly work and holiday schedules, so no more 9-9-6 schedules; i'm looking at something equivalent to the Australian level of paid holidays and leave.

At a very basic level, there no point talking about a future for China if there are little to no Chinese people- a dream yearned for by the Anglos and western supremacists/white chauvinists. They want a "japanised" China of otakus, negative birth rates and barren spinster females who functions as mass consumer classes for their products. Worker drones, if you will.

Finally, more Chinese means more PLA troops for the wars to come. And war is coming.

As for Malthusian crises, i would personally not shed a tear if if fresh food, water and soil formerly of the possession of the enemies of China, were to be turned over to Chinese children, women and soldiers. For instance, every bite of grain, sip of water and lungful of fresh air that the Anglos in the Five Eyes consume was once the property of the native americans, and the aboriginals. Why are they any more entitled to that land and living space than the Chinese?
 

AssassinsMace

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The West only cares because they think Chinese men will be more violent because of the gender imbalance meaning Chinese men will rape the women of the world. China has a history filled with bachelor societies that existed and yet no violence. Look at the US and the Chinese Exclusion Act. They didn't want more Chinese in the US and they certainly didn't want them to breed meaning it was even more difficult for Chinese women to get to the US. There was a gender imbalance of Chinese in the US and yet do we hear stories of Chinese men raping white women? Those stories would've been printed in newspapers as a record if that were happening. In fact when I was in college, I remember reading a story of how in San Francisco white women who were fleeing their abusive husbands would find refuge hiding in Chinatown. Weren't they afraid of getting raped? The Alt-Right, Proud Boys, and incels, all who complain about their diminished masculinity, were the backbone of the Washington DC insurrection a month ago. What's their excuse for being violent since Americans brag about their gender balance? Of course they think everyone else is worse than they are hence why they quickly believe Chinese will be monstrously violent and therefore must be stopped now. How convenient everything ends at the same excuse to stop China now for something they accuse Chinese will do in the future.
 

bajingan

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People who constantly bring up China demographics problem, conveniently forget that the us has worse demographic problem than China
Han Chinese will always be a majority in their own country, the same cannot be said about america, whites will be minority in around 2044
Without hispanic population growth, white america demographic actually is no better than China
They are declining and will be minority before half of this century
And american whites are not the kind that will ride away in sunset peacefully, their pride and arrogance won't allow it
Imagine the racial tensions and unrest that will happen when they become minority, trump is the primal scream of a declining white america
 

AssassinsMace

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People who constantly bring up China demographics problem, conveniently forget that the us has worse demographic problem than China
Han Chinese will always be a majority in their own country, the same cannot be said about america, whites will be minority in around 2044
Without hispanic population growth, white america demographic actually is no better than China
They are declining and will be minority before half of this century
And american whites are not the kind that will ride away in sunset peacefully, their pride and arrogance won't allow it
Imagine the racial tensions and unrest that will happen when they become minority, trump is the primal scream of a declining white america
Well that's what happened in Washington DC as a result. They couldn't give evidence that the election was rigged because what they were really upset at was actually legal. It was really about how demographics in the US are changing where once thought of as staunch white/Republican strongholds are now deciding big elections like for US President. What was illegal to them was non-white people voting. Non-white people are deciding elections now and that can be very upsetting if you're so use to having it your way as long as anyone can remember. They say there's a whole untapped market out there that the US has that China doesn't that would boost the US economy and that's minority communities in the US. But as the US has experienced in the world, once people start getting rich, they become more independent and have their own voice. If you look at music artists in the US, they complain how they don't own their own work and they make less money than others who had no hand in their work. The reason why the US fears China ultimately is because they're afraid China will treat them in the future how they're treating China right now.
 

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