Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.

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  1. delft
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    From the BBC website:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42236122
    Ukrainian politics are, as always, strange.
     
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    ... the headline is Ex-Georgia leader Mikheil Saakashvili arrested in Kiev
    by later he's been freed by the crowd:
     
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    I almost forgot Trump administration approves lethal arms sales to Ukraine
    December 20 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...arms-sales-to-ukraine/?utm_term=.988be7cc7ac0

     
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    TerraN_EmpirE Tyrant King

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    The M107A1 is a 12.7x99mm semi automatic Anti material scoped rifle.
    Barrett-M107A1_29_inch.jpg
    It comes in a 20 inch barrel or 29 inch barrel configuration it has a length of 57 inches for our metric centric it 140cm long... screw it 1.4 METERS!! 4.5 Feet!!! weighs in at 30 pounds or 14kg. It's considered a Anti material rifle not a sniper rifle because unless you are Sniping Robocop....[​IMG]

    It's to much gun. the round which is the same as the M2 Browning and was used in world war 2 fighters produces such an effect that a near miss would induce hydroshock. that means that a near miss is potentially lethal. It's max range is around 4-6 km. As such it fits into that trouble spot of Treaties. Basically Treaty says "No you can't use it on humans" Where some snipers have said "Leave pink mist"
    It's intended function is anti material, Radios, Jeeps, Parked light Aircraft, Drones and especially Explosive ordnance. The latter is among the most popular use. you set it up shoot it at a suspect bomb and the heat and pressure will set of most Composite explosive, thanks to its long range, you can do that from a nice spot far enough away to admire the blast but not get caught in it.

    This kind of weapon has a ton of urban fear mongering. They will not take down helicopters in flight or 747's for that matter. They are not a Threat for gang bangers as good luck buying the $100 dollar rounds to fill a 10 round magazine and trying to hid that mother in your average car. Hollywood loves them reality is though This is not as big a deal as it is made out to be. I mean it's a big gun but such a specialized one that it really won't change much.
    as a Sniper rifle it's not that accurate, It's massively heavy, and so huge it's hard to hide.
    don't even ask about as an infantry weapon not even Arnold Schwarzenegger (in his prime) could lug this mother all day without issues.
     
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    It's good for mechanized infantry in a mobile armor tactical support role OR dinosaur hunting in a new Jurassic Park Safari land.;):D
     
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    Thursday at 6:42 PM
    and here's more: US agrees to send lethal weapons to Ukraine, angering Russia https://www.defensenews.com/flashpo...nd-lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-angering-russia/
     
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    the Safari part is funny anyway I'm guessing the main Russian concern is the Javelin: I'd expect it to blast any Separatists' tank (= former Ukrainian tank, right?) just like that
     
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    Javelin missiles were designed to eat Soviet tanks. The separatists faction tanks whether Russian supplied in the modern or Soviet union are the same models Javelin missiles were designed for. Unless the Russians started giving the Separatists factions T90s or heavily upgraded T72 series tanks and more modern armor it would give Ukrainian infantry a leg up. Assuming that the Ukrainian forces are disciplined and competent in there use.
     
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    Or Russia could potentially sneak in some APS for the separatists. Though such high levels of tech could potentially open a whole can of worms.
    On the side though, unless some serious firepower is obtained. I find it unlikely that either side could gain and advantage over the other, the war in Ukraine has become a guerrilla, low intensity style war. This kind of war is often long and tortuously taxing.
     
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    That would require a massive overhaul of the tanks. Installing A PS is not like plugging in your phone charger.
     
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