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delft

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Ukraine arms dump fire alarm 'was not working'

When one of Ukraine's biggest munitions depots exploded, prompting the evacuation of 28,000 people, officials blamed sabotage.

Now it has emerged that the fire alarm at the Kalynivka site in central Ukraine was out of action and the base was poorly protected.

Criminal negligence is being considered as a possible cause of the blasts, which injured two people.

Ukraine's president has warned of a threat to national security.

Security chief Oleksander Turchynov said the loss of munitions at Kalynivka, and in a similar incident in March at Balakliya in the north-east, was the biggest blow since the conflict with pro-Russian separatists began in 2014.

Criticising Ukraine's entire defence leadership, he warned that events at Kalynivka proved that Ukraine was incapable of protecting its strategic arsenals.

The exact cause of the accident at the missiles storage site in the Vinnytsia region is still unclear. Nearby homes were badly damaged as shells went off in all directions.

On Wednesday, Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman said it was "no accident" that the Ukrainian army's arsenal had been destroyed and suspicion inevitably fell on pro-Russian separatists. Some reports suggested a drone may have flown over the site before the fire started.

But President Petro Poroshenko later told security heads that they had to learn how to protect strategic facilities from sabotage groups, but if there was another cause, those responsible had to be brought to justice.

Chief Military Prosecutor Anatoly Matios revealed that the fire alarms were out of action and that only half of the site's technical protection facilities were working, Interfax news agency reported.

There was also a problem with the military security guarding the base. Most of the officials there were elderly because wages were so low, he said.

The prosecutor said there were four theories as to what happened, ranging from criminal negligence involving workers at the military site to external sabotage involving an explosive device inserted into ammunition sent there for storage.
The art of storing munitions is that a small explosion doesn't lead to a large explosion. This is the second huge explosion of an Ukrainian arms dump this year and the suspicion must be that way to much explosive material had been stored in both. In preparation of a new war effort?
 

MwRYum

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The art of storing munitions is that a small explosion doesn't lead to a large explosion. This is the second huge explosion of an Ukrainian arms dump this year and the suspicion must be that way to much explosive material had been stored in both. In preparation of a new war effort?
Won't be a surprise if they do, but if their war effort is that sloppy....
 

delft

Brigadier
Won't be a surprise if they do, but if their war effort is that sloppy....
Ukrainian forces were trained by US and parts had been employed in Afghanistan. After the rebellion against the coup regime the rebels lost half their area and then held against the might of the Ukrainian army with at that time limited support from Russian volunteers and a low level of Voentorg. Parts of the Georgian army had equally been employed in Afghanistan before it attacked South Ossetia and was defeated by a smaller Russian force. There was the spectacular defeat of the Iraqi army by a minimal Daesh force at Mosul a few years ago. There was the collapse of the South Vietnamese army in 1975. The Afghan army remains to be in trouble against the much smaller Taliban forces. US trained forces often do badly in war. And when did US win wars since 1945? They conquered Granada in 1983, they invaded Guatemala and replaced its elected government by a military dictatorship in 1954 and they replaced of one dictator by another in several Latin American countries.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
That's an over simplification, the Iraqi and Afghan heck even Ukraine armies broke from the inside. It's not as easy as showing the troops how to use there weapons, they need a cohesive coherent command.
The Ukrainian Army was compromised from the inside. The government in Kiev collapsed.

In Iraq the U.S. had systematically dismantled the elite portions of the Iraqi army. Saddam having witnessed this only partially rebuilt it. When the US rolled in again and dismantled it the second time. The US was then trying to build from scratch a new army, before this could be completed the majority of US forces left, and trained major commanders were sacked.
When Isis hit it all fell apart.

In Afganstan the US has been building the armed forces for a decade. However the local community is not the nation that was killed by the Russians. No it's the tribe, the clan, the family. And the Taliban are the same. It's hard to fight a war where both the allied commanders are fighting each other and where the enemies are impossible to sort.

And in all three cases as well as Vietnam you have other internal issues of corruption. But that's not unique to US conflicts the Syrian civil war is likely to drag out the same way as you have the same issues. Of course they have a clear understanding of there objective Maintain the Assad regime or scorched earth.
 

timepass

Brigadier
UKROBORONPROM UNDERTAKES MARKETING PUSH FOR ANTONOV AN-178 AIRLIFTER



Ukraine’s state-owned enterprise Ukroboronprom is marketing the Antonov An-178 military airlifter to prospective clients in the Middle East, starting with Kuwait,
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report.

The Antonov An-178 is based on the An-148/158-series of regional jet airliners and is designed to replace legacy short/medium-range transport aircraft, such as the Antonov An-12 Cub.

When Antonov revealed the An-178 in 2015, it explicitly stated that it was aiming to provide a markedly cost-effective solution, especially in comparison to comparable Western aircraft. Antonov also promised to expand the An-178’s versatility, such as adapting it for the air-to-air refueling (AAR) role.

However, as with many of Ukraine’s marquee defence programs, the An-178’s success seems to be hinged to Kiev’s success in securing an overseas partner to co-fund and induct the platform. The An-132D came to fruition as a result of Saudi Arabia joining and co-funding the program.

In May of this year Ukroboronprom
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a memorandum-of-understanding (MoU) with Turkey’s Aselsan to provide an integrated avionics suite for the An-148-family, which includes the An-178.

In 2016, Antonov had posited the option of integrating General Electric or Pratt & Whitney turbofan engines in place of the Ivchenko Progress D-436, which currently powers the An-178.

Antonov intends to secure sales for 20 An-178 aircraft for the next five years. Its target markets include Central Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa and Turkey.

Having first flown in May 2015, the An-178 can carry 15 tons in payload to a range of 2,040 km (and at 18 tons 990 km). It is powered by two Ivchenko Progress D-436 turbofan engines, which Antonov claims will provide lower operating costs than four or even turboprop engines.

The An-178’s main competitors in its category are the Lockheed Martin C-130J/
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Hercules and
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. While the Hercules and KC-390 each possess greater payload capacity, Antonov can pitch the An-178 as a niche short-haul heavy transport aircraft. Air arms with limited or non-existing long-range transport requirements could use the An-178 for heavy payload tasks. Alternatively, countries with C-130-class (and/or larger) platforms can use the An-178 to handle domestic logistics transport work.

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not Crimea 2014, but downtown
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today (source is
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not sure if related, these:
were coming reportedly from
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to get
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wow, it says "He was overthrown by the former interior minister on 21 November 2017 and has fled to Russia."

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Tuesday at 7:45 PM
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to get
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wow, it says "He was overthrown by the former interior minister on 21 November 2017 and has fled to Russia."

EDIT
as of now, according to the most recent gazeta.ru article (
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), it's unclear where he is

the list, just in case:
Feb 8, 2017
so previously:

Jan 11, 2015

Separatists' Field Commander "Batman" and his bodyguard ambushed, killed:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...ws-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-35#post-321295


Mar 8, 2015
Separatists' Field Commander Mozgovoy survived the assassination attempt:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...ws-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-95#post-330503

May 24, 2015
Separatists' Field Commander Mozgovoy assassinated:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-110#post-342798


Dec 12, 2015


... and Dryomov assassinated Dec 12, 2015:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-128#post-379284


Jan 10, 2016
Separatists' Field Commander "Cat" killed by a sniper in downtown Donetsk, so Ukrainians were blamed:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-129#post-383359


Sep 24, 2016
former Prime Minister of
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hanged himself after he had been accused of organizing a coup:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-135#post-416937


Oct 17, 2016
Separatists' Field Commander "Motorola" killed in the lift taking him towards his apartment in downtown Donetsk, so "a Ukrainian sabotage unit" again:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-137#post-420021


Saturday at 9:08 AM
the Head of National Security Corps of
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assassinated in Luhansk:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk...s-reports-data-etc.t7103/page-140#post-437090


and today

Separatists' Field Commander "Givi" was assassinated in his apartment in the morning:
even РИА informed
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"Cassad"
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EDIT
all the links appear to work, usually show a picture of the individual ... kinda spooky
also considering Oct 17, 2016
(a comment made quickly after "Motorola" had been fixed)
 
Today at 7:23 AM
Yesterday at 1:16 PM

... in Moscow:
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flew in just like that:
(appears since 00:08)

so wiki was very well informed Tuesday at 7:45 PM
(or got lucky LOL)
then the new Separatists' leader of
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(some L. I. Pasechnik) announced Mr. Plotnitsky had stepped down, due to health reasons:

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