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Figaro

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It is great that we finally have confirmation that the Z-20 is using domestic engines (almost certainly WZ-10).
Z-20 chopper features powerful homemade engine
By Liu Xuanzun and Liu Yang in Tianjin Source:Global Times Published: 2019/10/10 22:28:40

China's latest commissioned and domestically-manufactured military helicopter, the Z-20, is equipped with a homemade engine powerful enough for it to fly in low-oxygen plateaus and features world-leading innovative technology, said the chopper's makers prior to the 5th China Helicopter Expo on Thursday.

The Z-20 is making its first exhibit appearance at the 5th China Helicopter Expo in Tianjin, which runs from Thursday to Sunday.

The Fenglei aerobatics team of the People's Liberation Army performed on Thursday, where the chopper also made a static display.

Joining the Z-20 at the expo are the Z-19 attack helicopter - with an extra millimeter wave fire control radar at the top of its main rotor - the Z-8G transport helicopter and the Z-10 attack helicopter.

Crowds took photos with the helicopters, and were captivated by their flight performances on Thursday.

The Z-20 made its public debut at the National Day parade on October 1. At the 2019 China Helicopter Development Forum in Tianjin on Wednesday, Wang Xibao, the chief engineer of the Harbin Aircraft Industry Group under the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), told the Global Times that it is "of an advanced level in the 21st century."

"It uses technologies that are considered advanced in the world, including the active vibration control, fly-by-wire, low-noise rotor design and high performance rotor aerodynamic design," Wang said.

Li Linhua, the chief technology expert at the China Helicopter Research and Development Institute of the AVIC, said that during its development, many technological innovations were applied. Li also noted that only a few countries have helicopters with advanced fly-by-wire technology.

The Z-20 was entirely made in China, Chen Guang, a vice general manager of AVICOPTER, the helicopter branch of AVIC, told the Global Times.

As China's latest utility helicopter, the Z-20 will operate in plateaus, Chen said, noting that despite the lack of oxygen in high-altitude areas, the homemade engine is powerful enough, thanks to technological breakthroughs.


The Z-20 will contribute to China's future helicopter development as new models can learn from its advanced technologies, Chen said.

The craftsmanship of the helicopter's fuselage is excellent, as the surface seems smooth even at its joints. The large cockpit windows take up over half of the space of the aircraft's nose, with two extra windows on the floor of the cockpit, giving pilots a very wide view, the Global Times reporters observed on Wednesday.

Traditional, complicated dashboards are not found in the cockpit. Instead, the control panels use multifunctional screens. The helicopter's interior is wide and can store more equipment.

The Z-20 is a medium-lift utility helicopter that can adapt to different terrains and weathers, and can be used on missions involving personnel and cargo transport, search and rescue, reconnaissance and anti-submarine operations, experts said.
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by78

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It is great that we finally have confirmation that the Z-20 is using domestic engines (almost certainly WZ-10).

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Could you stop posting useless sh!t?!

That article is almost a year old, and we had known that Z-20s use domestic turboshafts for freaking ages before that. You are just now discovering this? How?

Did you even bother reading this thread before posting the article?

What are you gonna do next? Are you gonna excitedly share with us articles from 2017 confirming J-20's active service status?

Do me a favor, stick with posting fanboy comments at political threads.
 
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Figaro

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Could you stop posting useless sh!t?!

That article is almost a year old, and we had known that Z-20s use domestic turboshafts for freaking ages before that. You are just now discovering this? How?

Did you even bother reading this thread before posting the article?

What are you gonna do next? Are you gonna excitedly share with us articles from 2017 confirming J-20's active service status?

Do me a favor, stick with posting fanboy comments at political threads.
What's wrong with the article. There was a possibility that the engines were Russian in origin and this is confirmation that they aren't. If you don't like what I have to post, there is a convenient ignore button you can toggle. Do you not know the existence of such a feature?

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by78

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What's wrong with the article. There was a possibility that the engines were Russian in origin and this is confirmation that they aren't. If you don't like what I have to post, there is a convenient ignore button you can toggle. Do you not know the existence of such a feature?

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There WAS a possibility of non-domestic turboshafts being used many, many, many eons ago. Hello, have you been following this thread at all? We've known for ages that Z-20 were destined to have indigenous engines, and you are just finding out about this now?

In other words, there is nothing wrong with the article, but there is everything wrong with you, specifically your unabashed fanboyism, as evidenced by your inability to spot a laughably bad PS job or tell the difference between the Russian Air Force and Chinese Air Force; your habit of excitedly presenting old news and images as new (as seen here, here, here, here, and here); your incorrigible habit of immediately sharing information without first checking to see if what you are about to share has been shared already, sometimes as recently as 24 hours before (as seen here and here); and your penchant for deliberate sensationalism, for misrepresentation, and deliberate misrepresentation through sensationalism even though you have not a clue what you have just posted.

Oh, and I well know there exists the ignore button, but did you know that SDF is not a fanboy forum? I thought we made that point very clear to you a long time ago. Because SDF is a 'professional' forum, if you post stupid fanboy sh!t, you will get called out.

Don't like it? Then take your own advice and use the ignore button!

Even better, confine yourself to your favorite political threads and avoid the flagship military threads, where your mere presence lowers our collective IQ.
 
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Figaro

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There WAS a possibility of non-domestic turboshafts being used many, many, many eons ago. Hello, have you been following this thread at all? We've known for ages that Z-20 were destined to have indigenous engines, and you are just finding out about this now?

In other words, there is nothing wrong with the article, but there is everything wrong with you, specifically your unabashed fanboyism, as evidenced by your inability to spot a laughably bad PS job or tell the difference between the Russian Air Force and Chinese Air Force; your habit of excitedly presenting old news and images as new (as seen here, here, here, here, and here); your incorrigible habit of immediately sharing information without first checking to see if what you are about to share has been shared already, sometimes as recently as 24 hours before (as seen here and here); and your penchant for deliberate sensationalism, for misrepresentation, and deliberate misrepresentation through sensationalism even though you have not a clue what you have just posted.

Oh, and I well know there exists the ignore button, but did you know that SDF is not a fanboy forum? I thought we made that point very clear to you a long time ago. Because SDF is a 'professional' forum, if you post stupid fanboy sh!t, you will get called out.

Don't like it? Then take your own advice and use the ignore button!

OR, even better, confine yourself to your favorite political threads and spare the flagship military threads from your fanboy wisdom.
According to Huitong's blog as of late, whether the Z-20's propulsion is Chinese or foreign has not been fully established yet. The article I posted provides such confirmation.
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If you have any disagreement with the way I post, we can talk about this via pm as not to derail this thread. As for ignoring you, I have no issue with you at all but you seem to have issues with me. If this is the latter, which I observe to be true, then as I said before the ignore button is there for you to click. I have had no issues with the mods whereas you've clearly had some.
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by78

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According to Huitong's blog as of late, whether the Z-20's propulsion is Chinese or foreign has not been fully established yet. The article I posted provides such confirmation.
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See, here is a prime example of your fanboyism I was talking about. Huitong clearly stated "The first prototype was rumored to have rolled down the assembly line in December 2012. However the exact type of engine used on the prototype is still unclear (Russian TV3-117VM?)". Do you understand what a prototype is, or how a first prototype might differ from the final, in-service product? Where did Huitong imply that in-service Z-20s use foreign engines?

You have this hallmark fanboy habit of not following developments and not understanding even the most basic of basics. Funny that you cited Huitong's blog, because if you had followed his blog at all, you would have known that as
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, he speculated WZ-10 turboshafts would be fitted onto Z-20s, with this speculation being further reinforced in
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, and reinforced again
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, and finally
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: "The helicopter is also powered by two
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turboshaft engines (~1,600kW)".

So, I will ask you again, how are you just now finding out about this?

If you have any disagreement with the way I post, we can talk about this via pm as not to derail this thread. As for ignoring you, I have no issue with you at all but you seem to have issues with me. If this is the latter, which I observe to be true, then as I said before the ignore button is there for you to click. I have had no issues with the mods whereas you've clearly had some.
No, I will carry out all discussions in the open, since they have everything to do with the content of your posts, which are fanboyish and must be pointed out and corrected, because that's how we roll here. If you can't stand the scrutiny, there is always your political threads to fall back on, or you may choose from a constellation of fanboy forums out there to spend your time.
 
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Figaro

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See, here is a prime example of your fanboyism I was talking about. Huitong clearly stated "The first prototype was rumored to have rolled down the assembly line in December 2012. However the exact type of engine used on the prototype is still unclear (Russian TV3-117VM?)". Do you understand what a prototype is, or how a first prototype might differ from the final, in-service product? Where did Huitong imply that in-service Z-20s use foreign engines?

You have this hallmark fanboy habit of not following developments and not understanding even the most basic of basics. Funny that you cited Huitong's blog, because if you had followed his blog at all, you would have known that as
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, he speculated WZ-10 turboshafts would be fitted onto Z-20s, with this speculation being further reinforced as early as
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, and reinforced yet further
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, and finally
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: "The helicopter is also powered by two
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turboshaft engines (~1,600kW)".

So, I will ask you again, how are you just now finding out about this?



No, I will carry out all discussions in the open, since they have everything to do with the content of your posts, which are fanboyish and must be pointed out and corrected, because that's how we roll here. If you can't stand the scrutiny, there is always your political threads to fall back on, or you may choose from a constellation of fanboy forums to spend your time.
If you read the last lines of Huitong's entry on the Z-20, he says this : "It was rumored that the indigenous WZ-11 turboshaft engine (1,500kW) has been selected for Z-20 but this has not been confirmed." This means Huitong is leaving the possibility of a foreign engine open. I don't know why you are quoting a web archive of his post when I'm quoting his most current posting. Regarding how I just found out about this, why don't you present me an official source that says the Z-20 already has domestic made engines other than the one I referenced? What is wrong with 100% confirmation of this via an official source.

As for continuing to carry this discussion in public, you are showing complete disregard for professionalism in this forum by continuously derailing the thread even though I have offered to settle this in pm, as not to crowd this thread with off-topic back and forths. But given your pretentious and snobbish attitude, I can see why you would not want to do that. And more curiously, you keep responding to me with clear disdain for my remarks and yet you still have not ignored me.
 
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by78

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If you read the last lines of Huitong's entry on the Z-20, he says this : "It was rumored that the indigenous WZ-11 turboshaft engine (1,500kW) has been selected for Z-20 but this has not been confirmed." This means Huitong is leaving the possibility of a foreign engine open. I don't know why you are quoting a web archive of his post when I'm quoting his most current posting. As for continuing to carry this discussion in public, you are showing complete disregard for professionalism in this forum by continuously derailing the thread even though I have offered to settle this in pm, as not to crowd this thread with postings. But given your pretentious and snobbish attitude, I can see why you would not want to do that.
Are you serious? Huitong has
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that in-service Z-20s use the domestic WZ-10 turboshafts. He now speculates that WZ-11 might be selected as another engine option.

Hello, did you confuse WZ-10 with WZ-11? You understand that 10≠11, right?

Or God forbid, do you not know that WZ-10 is a domestic turboshaft?

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Figaro

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Jesus, are you serious? Huitong has
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that in-service Z-20s use the domestic WZ-10 turboshafts. He now speculates that WZ-11 might be selected as another engine option.

Hello, did you confuse WZ-10 with WZ-11? You understand that 10≠11, right?

Or God forbid, did you think WZ-10 was a foreign turboshaft? Oh no...
I really don't understand your logic ... if Huitong mentions WZ-11 as another possible engine option, doesn't that mean the engine of the Z-20 is still unclear? And for Christ's sake, why are you still quoting a web archive??? It's extremely surprising how you do not quote the current version of his entry but have to resort to a 2018 version. As for being called a fanboy by you, I could care less. Given your long history of disparaging others (something you got in trouble with the moderators for), I am not surprised by this.
 

by78

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I really don't understand your logic ... if Huitong mentions WZ-11 as another possible engine option, doesn't that mean the engine of the Z-20 is still unclear?
Ah, not if Huitong confirmed that Z-20s are equipped with WZ-10s, which he did as early as 2018, as I have previously pointed out.

Do you seriously have trouble grasping the following simple statements from Huitong:
1) In-service Z-20s are currently equipped with domestic WZ-10 turboshafts.
2) A different domestic turboshaft (namely WZ-11) might be equipped in the future.

Just how did you interpret 2) to mean "the engine of the Z-20 is still unclear"?

I think that you don't understand my logic because you simply don't understand logic, period.
 
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