USN fearful of PLAN subs

chinawhite said:

america claimed 792:78.

that is a 10:1 ratio but classified top secret soviet documents state 345.

that is about 4-4.5:1. like i said.

So it is clear americans lied about the A2A loses




American propaganda

americans joke about chiense propaganda but look at your selfs.

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i don't think they were lying, but rather that they were loosing so many battles, they didn't have enough time to count up opposing casualty.

tphuang said:

i don't think they were lying, but rather that they were loosing so many battles, they didn't have enough time to count up opposing casualty.

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its a air battle.........................you dont count them you see if they crash or dont crash

But then...and this is historical as well...the US defeated N. Korea and occupied the country up to the Yalu... and then China invaded what was going to be a single Korea and the two Koreas came into existance again.

So...I guess you could say everyone had a hand in it. N. Korea, S. Korea, the US and China

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Yeah, that is true. However, if the US didn't interevene in the first place, than the Chinese never would've jumped in either. Do you think they'd invade a united korea under north korean communsit rule just for kicks and giggles? Hell no! The Chinese did the same as what the US did: jump in when the korea that they supported was on the verge of defeat. I mean, its kind of like you shooting me, me shooting you back, and both of us dying. If you never shot me in the first place, both of us would be fine!

One thing to note though is that South Korea is 4,000 miles away form US while North Korea is 0 miles away from China.

So, yes, China did play a role in keeping the Koreas not united, but it was primarily the US's fault.

chinawhite said:

its a air battle.........................you dont count them you see if they crash or dont crash

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i was being general. Americans were a little flustered if you know what I mean.

After monitoring you guys for the last few hours, there is actually a group of people who's even worse than my idiot class of people saying... McCARTHEY IS THE GUY WHO KILLED LINCOLN DURING THE TIME WHEN McGOVERN BEAT NIXON 387-139 in 1672.

One: America Pwns, stfu, you really arent backing yourself too much, and dont count on your name either, plz find harder data, thanks
Two: THE REST OF YOU GUYS enough ABOUT PROPAGANDA, LET AMERICA use IT, it'd BE that MUCH easier FOR AMERICA to LEARN like EVERY OTHER nation IN HIStory that it really screws yourself over when they get kicked in the teeth
Three: It's not US, or UN, or Sk, or PRC, or NK, or any other country's fault, it's MacArthur's. Simply, China warns UN about not getting troops close to their border and MacJackass put them by the Yalu river, what kind of common sense is that... even when Truman warned... DONT DO THAT! NOT AMERICA's FAULT, NOT CHINA's FAULT, itz MacJACKASS's FAULT!

1. Propaganda - Hitler used it when he failed to take Russia and said he won, then he lost battle of the Kursk, look what the German people think... look how shock they were when the Russians were at the border, the point is, go ahead, use propaganda, and when you kicked them in the teeth, it hurts just much more, plus, it's a psychological victory
2. UN nor Commie won the Korean war you dumbasses...! Starting from the 38 parallel, Un won by least casulity and land claim, and lost mizerably when it comes to psychological and techical error, pretty sad when UN used trench war and mechanized warfare and still couldnt beat Napoleanic warfare... Eiserhower... It's rather a debate depending on what do YOU see is more...
3. America is fighting for a noble cause and peace-keeper... that really doesnt make sense, for example
A. Foreign Policy, Cold War, willing to use nuclear weapons during the 50s Taiwanese crisis when China didn't have anything of that sort, wow, if I remember the country's history correctly... China tend to united through war, CHINA DIDN'T HAVE NUKES, WHAT KIND OF PEACEFUL IDEA IS THREATENING BACK WITH A NUCLEAR ATTACK!??!!?
B. Bay of Pigs, nothing further, that was caused by intermindation, like how China felt with superior troops by the Yalu...

A warning to every1... Although I'm not a mod and not old enough to take control, I'll hammer anyone that nails other countries without good enough reason, please people, look deeper and same goes for the rest, if you hammer America for the war in Iraq, I'll make sure I'll make you pay for that... Yea okie now I'm offically delusional, I'm going to sleep bye! Edited for the better use of vocab and grammer...

america pwnz said:

America has to get involved in these situations. It is a peace-seeking country. That's why the war on terror began. If you do not support America's cause, then you make me feel as if China does not want a peaceful world either.

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If USA is a peace-seeking country, what would be Canada ??? Up here, in your north, we, canadians, see the US as a country that is looking for trouble, since the end of WWII, we call this period the "American Imperialism period" in my political science course. The US was peace-seeking before the WWII by staying neutral, but after the WWII, the superiority of the US was because they're one of the only country that wasn't devasted by the war, so they start to tried to increased their global influence around the world. For some war, it's UN's initiative, it can consider peace-seeking, okay, but for the Viet-Nam for exemple, the US didn't have any assets there, they only went there to "prevent" the uprising of communism. In my political history course, presently, we nick-named the present time "Pax Americana" or American Peace for those that don't understand latin. We refered the US to the Roman, because, at the beginning, the Roman, like the USA, was only defending itself against invaders, but after gaining more and more power, both start to conquer other country (well, influence control for the USA) and trying to apply their way of life and thinking, doctrines, to country that their considered "non-civilised" (well, for the Roman, everything that were not Roman or Greek was barbarian)" So the Imperial Rome and the USA, are into a deep politics of imperialism, please, don't ever say that USA is peace-seeking, they are more trying to impose their culture.

Very well said. I've nothing to add to rommel's post. And, like Rome, if US doesn't change its foreign policy, it will pay a costly price in the long run. Basically, its doing what its doing now because it can, and no other country can compete. But such one sided, detached from rest of the world, kind of thinking has little future.

NO! NO! NO!

Canada is cool, they are just lazy and help others by ACTUALLY helping and not like screwing someone over, plus Canada's military suck and force to only defend themselves so... yea they are cool

Chairman Hu said:

Canada's military suck

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... Thanks you ... I remind you that I'm in the Canadian Army...

Canada's military suck

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I agree!