USN fearful of PLAN subs

fried, you are correct on the part where china is not responsible. however, they are partly responsible for having intervened when the UN was in the grasp of victory. China should not have entered the war in the first place. There was no reason for china to step in. If china had been provoked, i can understand, but china entered for no legitimate reason whatsoever. The UN had the war won... so china had some fault.

the only reason why china migth of entered the war was that she felt threathened, thinka bout it a whole south korean pensuila, with US AFB and US army bases possibily USN bases too on one side then you got taiwan on the other; Mao probably felt is the US took korea it can help taiwan retake china

chinawhite said:

this is from wikipedia.


this is my favourite part.





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Superior US pilot training versus Korean and Chinese training accounted for some of the US success in the air war with a reported kill ratio of 14 to 1 by the Air Force in MiG Alley. MiG Alley was a hotbed for air-to-air combat near the Yalu River between the boundaries of Korea and China. Early sources attribute the F-86's all-moving tailplane to giving the Sabre a decisive advantage over the MiG-15. However, this claim has since been downplayed.



Review of recently released Soviet documents that had been classified top secret until the fall of the Soviet Union shows that the American pilots claimed to shoot down more than twice the number of MiG-15s than ever served in Korea, though discounting these extra kills the kill record would still be in the Sabre's favour. The disparity between Soviet and American accounts of the air war is startling. Neither side's loss records can confirm the majority of the victories claimed by the other side. Many of the air engagements reported can actually be corroborated by both sides, but then each would claim several victories and neither would show any losses. Soviet sources claim a very favorable kill ratio: over 1,300 MiG-15 victories against only 345 MiGs lost. It should also be noted this figure includes aircraft other than fighters, such as bombers.

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Americans BSed Chinese losses the entire Korean war. The dogfighting ratio was just one of them. It's hilarious that China managed to get the number of American/South Korean casualties correct, but Americans overestimated China's casualty by 2.5 times.

america pwnz said:

fried, you are correct on the part where china is not responsible. however, they are partly responsible for having intervened when the UN was in the grasp of victory. China should not have entered the war in the first place. There was no reason for china to step in. If china had been provoked, i can understand, but china entered for no legitimate reason whatsoever. The UN had the war won... so china had some fault.

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yeah, the reason that China entered the war was because it suspected that America was trying to start a war with it. Come to think of which, America helped the Nationalists in the civil war, so China felt it had to fight against America at some point to show that it would not be walked over easily. When it looked at geography, it noticed Korea has the most promising landscape for war, so it proceeded there. Personally, I think China is right to have suspicion, because America has intervened with many situations.

America has to get involved in these situations. It is a peace-seeking country. That's why the war on terror began. If you do not support America's cause, then you make me feel as if China does not want a peaceful world either.

BrotherofSnake said:

Nevertheless, UN forces utterly dominated the skies over Korea while establishing atleast a 10:1 kill ratio against the commies. Chinese pilots lacked training in Korea.

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any proof to back this up.

I have present my proof have you?

america pwnz said:

it's china's fault that there are 2 Koreas.

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its americas.

if they didn't enter the war.

Jeff Head said:

But then...and this is historical as well...the US defeated N. Korea and occupied the country up to the Yalu... and then China invaded what was going to be a single Korea and the two Koreas came into existance again.

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only in a few areas their were at the yalu.

anyway china doesn't want at american ally at its most sensitive part

america pwnz said:

America has to get involved in these situations. It is a peace-seeking country. That's why the war on terror began. If you do not support America's cause, then you make me feel as if China does not want a peaceful world either.

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Look, America has to stop looking at itself as the world's police. Look at the Chinese history, the only country China has initiated war against in the past 100 years are Vietnam, Korea and arguably Tibet(since I for one do not look at Tibet as an individual nation beforehand). I guess you can add Mongolia and India to that list too, but those scrimmages were like you attack me, I attack you. The point being, China has always been peaceful toward its neighbouring countries. Maybe not to its own people, but its fairly diplomatic with other countries.

Looking at USA, it has started wars against Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq in just the last 50 years. Let's not forget all of its other intervention. My point is America needs to start minding its own business. Stop paying so much attention to Iraq and terrorism and put some money to its environment and fixing its infrastructure, so we don't get any more "hurricane Katrina" tragedies. Look at China, it has floods every year, but it has gotten to a point of almost expertise at rescue missions. When a hurricane like Katrina hit US, America is so focused on terrorism, that it doesn't have the know-how or the resource to get out quickly to rescue its own citizens. That's inexcusable.

america claimed 792:78.

that is a 10:1 ratio but classified top secret soviet documents state 345.

that is about 4-4.5:1. like i said.

So it is clear americans lied about the A2A loses




American propaganda

americans joke about chiense propaganda but look at your selfs.