USN fearful of PLAN subs
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Now you all are getting way oftopic...so if this continues this way i will close this thread....UNDERSTOOD?
PS: Chairman Hu, it's not nice nor mature to say that canadian (or any other countrys) military sucks when never served in any and whitout providing any proofs to back you up. Exspecially when we have few canadian military personels on board. So wach it!
PS: Chairman Hu, it's not nice nor mature to say that canadian (or any other countrys) military sucks when never served in any and whitout providing any proofs to back you up. Exspecially when we have few canadian military personels on board. So wach it!
.............Well Rommel, you have to admit, the Chinese do not have any of their units persisting with Lee-Enfield rifles do they? I've got two brothers and a sister that are active Canadian Rangers and all three of them are issued Lee-Enfields.....back to topic.........There will not be any fear of PLAN subs until the displacement and patrol ranges extend. Right now they are perfectly suited to patrolling their defense area. There is little worry of offensive operations out of theater.........
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dannytoro said:
Well, I don't consider Rangers especially as soldier, they are only forest guard for me. (for those that don't know, Rangers are guards for our BIG forest, so the Lee-Enfield are well adapted for this kind of environement when the 5,56 NATO lack power to kill a bear for exemple...)
tphuang said:
Well, our infantry is extremely well equiped, the LAV-III and Coyote are excellant vehicule (BTW the LAV-25 of the US Marines Corps is made here, by GM Canada, the LAV-25 is the LAV-III ) We only lack heavy armor and submarine, it's only urban legend that the CF are poorly equiped...
BrotherofSnake, I'm sorry to tell you, but our regular infantry is lot more trained than the US Army's average G.I. We only lack heavy equipment, but some of our equipment (CADPAT and Coyote) are even better than your's (there's no equivalent of the Coyote in any western army right now)...
To come back to the subject, I think that the PLAN submarine force is something that the US have to worry about, and it's dangerous, remember the German's during WWII, at the beginning, when the Allied lack ASW, well, could eventually end like that if the US don't push harder their training and R&D to find new way of founding PLAN latest sub.
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FriedRiceNSpice
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Oh, so I guess you mean Forest Rangers and not like Army Rangers. The US has Forest Rangers too, even though most do not carry firearms around. They probably do have some hunting rifles around though.
Do you mean that a M-16 cannot kill a bear? That would be hillarious if an US GI fights with a bear but loses and then gets eaten. ROTFL
MIGleader said:
As an American citizen with a strong naval background, I believe you are wrong...and are underestimating American will.
That would be a serious mistake. The impact of such a situation would be for America to send in five carriers and ten Burkes and decimate everything in their path. And there would be full American support for such a position.
The likelihood of the PLAN at this point even accomplishing what you describe is low though. The US will have at least two carriers well off the east coast of Taiwan conducting offense air operations, forcing any PLAN attack to come either over the island or around it where the carrier aircraft, US Aiir Force aircraft, and ROC aircraft will set up large kill zones controlled by the best AWACS aircraft and supported by multiple very capable EW aircraft. Anything surviving that then has to get through the heart of the layered AEGIS defense.
Sub threats will have the same problem. In the otioral waters those diesel/electrics are very dangerous. But in the open sea east of Taiwan, they will have to manuever for extended priods at high speed to get close to the carriers and that will get them killed by strong surface, air, and sub surface ASW. Six to eightADCAP LA class boatrs will protect those carriers, with perhaps a Sea Wolf or Virginai or two thrown in for good measure, while even more boats will sweep the Formosa straits of any PLAN vessesl there.
I pray it never comes to that in any case.
MIGleader said:
I never said US was peace-seeking
There's is not Army Rangers in the Canadian Army. The Rangers is a surveilliance program that is supposed to keep the Sovremny of Canada on the North. They're a part of the Reserve but are not allowed to take part to military action, they are more a kind of territorial police. And no, the M-16 cannot kill a bear, don't forget, the 5,56 NATO is a modified .22 Extra LR
FriedRiceNSpice
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Jeff Head said:
You underestimate the PLAAF's new fighters. Su-30MKKs and JH-7s will be able to take out the most capable of US ships. The ROC AF and USAF/USN will also take heavy fighter losses. You seem to overestiamte AWACs and EW capability. Also, AWACs would be among the first to be targetted and elimianted.
FriedRiceNSpice said:
To do that...they have to get to them. They will be significantly protected...both by aircraft and probably SAG with AEGIS capabilities.
...and I do not oversetimate AWACS or EW...they are proven to be significant force multipliers....on either side. If the PLAN and PLAAF come at a US carrier, they will have to get through the toughest EW environment on earth.
I do not believe they have enough of the new fighters yet, and that they would not want to risk lossing so many of them. I believe it will be several years before they reach a point where they are...but that is just my opinion.
Anyhow, like I said...I hope it never comes to that.
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