USN fearful of PLAN subs

You have to be pretty stupid to fight kamikaze style.

Did China even have a navy during the Korean War? During the Korean War, China had some pretty good MiGs, but the Chinese lacked training so they got pwned by the USAF.

pwned?

whats this.

and the ratio is something like 4:1

Couple of things. In peace time buying and getting even a 100, let alone 1000 planes takes time. Much longer time than such a war would last. Perhaps some extra ammuntion/missiles can be bought (even those in smaller quantities, if russia already has them in stock to be sold) but that's it, in war times there wouldn't be any real arms purchases. What you have in the start of war would be all you'd have during it. Also, it's quite possible there'd be instantenous arms embargo if china invades, west still has quite the leverage over russia economically.

Secondly, if US is determined to fully engage china, there's little chance china would have time to transfer a couple of million troops to taiwan. When US starts preparing, it'd probably take 2-4 weeks to organize, transfer forces and achieve air/sea supremacy. During that time chinese transport capacity would be compromised as well.

But even that's somewhat beside the points as US would not invade taiwan in order to free it. What's the point? All they need to do is maintain their control of air/sea. Imagine if suddenly there was an inpenetrable wall around iraq. All that mighty force US has in there would crumble in matter of days/weeks. No support, no reinforcements, no supplies of any kind, fuel/ammo/food. Same thing for chinese trapped on taiwan. Sure, lets say they have a million troops there by the time US comes. It's a million mouths to feed. They could use what they find for some time but ultimately they can not support themselves in a infrastructure demaged hostile country with guerilla attacks on every corner. Maybe they're crazy enough not to surrender and then it'd take weeks if not months till they're overwhelmed...but in the long run they are trapped and they will lose.

Btw, i also have a feeling at least some US generals/politicians would love the opportunity/excuse that is china's invasion of taiwan in order to bring down china's armed forces down to size. They've been getting antsy over last decade or two and it's obvious china is starting to catch up. So, the sooner the war happens, easier it'd be for US to win.

War this, airplane that, carrier that country bla bla bla. Thing is, none of you are even considering the concept of economics and politics into this.

With the scale of war you are talking about it would take many, many barrels of oil to power the war machine. Could America afford to make war with the current cost of oil?

Would American civilians want an end to cheaply made goods that currently no other country has the industrial capacity, workforce, low unskilled wages and education to provide? Would the American people let their economy sent down the drain courtesy of having all their Treasury Bonds sold?

I doubt the American people would just stand by and let the military pundits get away with it.

Another thing is that American policy explicitedly states that in the case of ROC declaring independence they will not help. And since that is the only scenario in which PRC will retake ROC using the military war is not going to happen in the forseeable future.

All in all, America has too much to lose and too little to gain to risk going to war with an opponent the size of PRC, especially with how badly they're doing in Iraq.

Incorrect.

The conservative sort would be pleased to be able to cease all the outsourcing there is. Granted, it'd lead to an increase in prices, but it'd cut our own unemployment rate.

As for the cost of oil, we have plenty of indigenous oil to use... we just never do unless we need to, out of desire to conserve our own resources, while sapping everybody else's.

BrotherofSnake said:

You have to be pretty stupid to fight kamikaze style.

Did China even have a navy during the Korean War? During the Korean War, China had some pretty good MiGs, but the Chinese lacked training so they got pwned by the USAF.

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Snake, it's best if you didn't use US pop culture references and lingo, considering that this is a multicultural forum.

and the ratio is something like 4:1

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LOL The ratio was more like 14:1.

chinawhite said:

pwned?

whats this.

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Definition of the word pwned

the chinese and Us arnt going to do all ou war with carriers, nuke moskits, jsfs, flankers... i doubt the Us and china would ever fight. maybe a few standoffs, but no action. since China dosn't invade taiwan till it declares independence, and Us dosnt help taiwan if it does, theres no reason for them to fight.

the taiwanese and chinese will resolve the issue peacefully. the U.s will be real pissed if they rejoin, since china will now have f-16s, pac-3s, kidds, lafeyettes. i can see the french selling alot of liscences to china afterwards.

this is for the future, since the reunification may not happen until 2015-2020.
funny if the Us sold jsfs to taiwan and the chinese obtained it.