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Deino

Deino

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Oh well ... the fan-boys in action again!

Even against this official sheet for the TFX/MMU's program ...

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a certain fan boy claims, maiden flight will be already in 2025 even before the here given date.

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oh well ... but YES, I'm blamed to be too critical and only want them to fail!?
 
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ougoah

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The timeline offered seems reasonable and achievable with required effort and funding. The problem would be to maintain the effort and funding, both of which may or may not be readily available to the degree they are required throughout those years.

If Turkey secures an engine supply from RR or whoever ends up providing it. Possibly even China who knows by then! The aimed for size suggests engine in the max class of Al-31, F110, WS-10, or a larger EJ200. Well there is always the possibility of WS-10 or WS-19 (if ready, available, AND suitable). I don't follow TFX development. I am assuming the engine supply is known but if there are political reasons for deals to fail, there are enough alternatives to overcome the main issue. I find it hard to believe they would design a fighter without knowing which engine/s it will end up using. So I am assuming RR for now and if that falls through for whatever reason, there are enough options out there.
 
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ougoah said:
The timeline offered seems reasonable and achievable with required effort and funding. The problem would be to maintain the effort and funding, both of which may or may not be readily available to the degree they are required throughout those years.

If Turkey secures an engine supply from RR or whoever ends up providing it. Possibly even China who knows by then! The aimed for size suggests engine in the max class of Al-31, F110, WS-10, or a larger EJ200. Well there is always the possibility of WS-10 or WS-19 (if ready, available, AND suitable). I don't follow TFX development. I am assuming the engine supply is known but if there are political reasons for deals to fail, there are enough alternatives to overcome the main issue. I find it hard to believe they would design a fighter without knowing which engine/s it will end up using. So I am assuming RR for now and if that falls through for whatever reason, there are enough options out there.
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The TF-X timeline mirrors the KF-21 timeline. 7 year period from start of development to first flight, so a first flight in 2025 is not unreasonable indeed.

As for the engine, the latest news is that Ivchenko-Progress is about to sign a contract for the cooperation on the TF-X engine.

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schrage musik

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Turkey's dependance on foreign IIR detectors is starting to wane. Thanks to indigenous R&D and foreign support from East-Asian and Chinese companies, Aselsan has acquired the ability to produce HD resolution detectors. Aselflir-F500C and Aselflir-600 are going to be equipped with these HD detectors.
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There are a lot of possibilities if Turkish semiconductor/microelectronics manufacturers cooperate with chinese semiconductor industry giants like SMEE, CETC, Naura etc. I wish Aselsan and their local suppliers stepped into the civilian semiconductor manufacturing sector. There is a lot more money to be made.
 
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Old news from October last year, but still relevant for the recent discussions about the engine and modern software tools for research and development:

Havelsan, a prominent name in developing software-based technologies for the defense industry, will use its knowledge and experience in supporting the engine design.

The simulation software technology owned by Havelsan will particularly be used in the engine project. Within the scope of the signed agreement, Havelsan will ensure the establishment of the design and test verification infrastructures of plant and control models and the development of computer-based design tools to meet the needs of TR Motor.

The defense company will also support the integrated digital twin-driven product design (DTPD) and development process of TR Motor.

The two parties will work together in operating and analyzing flight control system software and a simulator developed by Havelsan with the existing plant and engine model. (...) Dur noted that he believes “this cooperation will yield good results.”

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Red tsunami

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It'll probably be fitted with an afterburning turbofan in the F125 class. The Ukrainian AI-222-25F with 9300lb of thrust is a prime candidate to power the supersonic variant of the MIUS. With a wingspan of around 10m, canards and relatively low weight, and no human limitation, it will outmaneuver and outgun manned fighters.

With an internal weapons bay carrying at least 2 (ramjet) BVR missiles, small size, VLO characteristics, AESA radar, passive sensors, AI, swarming and CEC, it will be a hell for the opponent. I believe this will be the most important Turkish military project during this decade even more important than the TF-X.

There is a reason why both the CTO of Baykar and the minister for industry and technology are confident about the MIUS. Minister Varank said previously that te world will stop talking about the F-35 and will start talking about Turkish drones. They aren't selling fantasies, they know the capabilities present in Turkey.

The MIUS fitted with GPS, GLONASS, BEIDOU and in the future a Turkish satnav system, will be very hard to jam. Add to that, ground image recognition software and SAR in the event of satnav failure/jamming, the MIUS will never lose its position. And if it all happens over sea, modern INS will take over until land is within sight of the ground image recognition software or SAR and it will immediately calibrate its position again. The MIUS will never lose its bearing :cool:!

The head of Aselsan said on twitter that he looks forward to 'decorate' the MIUS:

What a beautiful holiday news… It is our pleasure to decorate you with what suits you.
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It reminds me of the Anjian UAV shown by China at the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show.102332293.jpg20210804184938-1628074178349-800.jpg20210804184942-1628074182153-800.jpg
 
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Interview with the CTO of Baykar:

TB3 first flight in 2022, TOW of 1450kg, foldable wings, 24h endurance, carrier capable, 'high altitude' capable, launch by winch system and recovery by arresting system.
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MIUS will have a TOW of 5500kg, 800kph cruise speed, 5 hour endurance.
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With regards to the TB2: "Contracts with more than 10 countries are either completed or about to be completed"

The Akinci studies with 750hp engines have started too. I've already posted about it in here: Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
 
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