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Xizor

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Turkey is not bothered anymore by the Greeks, no matter how many advanced fighters they buy. Hundreds of SOM's and Bora's will prevent any Greek air-superiority over the Aegean.

A Turkish carrier is not primarily for a prospected war against any of the major powers, but it'll act like the long arm of the growing Turkish power. It comes in very handy when Turkey needs to suppress an enemy group or small nation that threatens its interests. A carrier sailing along the coast of Libya would've prevented the LNA from ever going on an offensive. A carrier sailing in front of the UAE coast would've made the Emirates think twice to support anti-Turkish causes. A Turkish carrier moored in Qatar will make the Saudi's think trice to invade Qatar. These are the cases wherein Turkey needed a carrier, let alone the growing need in the coming years.

As for the space program, Turkey is probably going to use Somalia as a space port because it is close to the equator. No need to explain what a carrier can do in such a volatile and tense region.

As for your 'arguments' about the capability of carrier drones and a carrier variant of the Hurjet and space-budget, I won't even bother replying to them.
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A Turkish carrier is just the thing other countries hope to happen - especially those antagonistic to Turkey. They will use the carrier to justify increasing Naval presence near Turkey and escalate spending on weapons.

Nations around Turkey ( you didn't Include Israel but we all know Turkey has issues with Israel) will arm up with weapons not available to Turkey ( F35, Rafale etc). Can Turkey afford to escalate? Does it have the economy to escalate?

The most incredible thing however is that Turkey consider, in the background of all these hostilities, some nations like US, UK, Germany etc as allies. Little kids could figure out the folly behind this idea.Turkish carrier with Hurjet and UAVs is not all that powerful as you think.

Consider trying not be like a Jai Hind.
 

sequ

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A Turkish carrier is just the thing other countries hope to happen - especially those antagonistic to Turkey. They will use the carrier to justify increasing Naval presence near Turkey and escalate spending on weapons.
Like who? The Egyptians with their neutered fighters and frigates? The Greeks which can barely maintain their military, thinking they can tip the balance by a few adhoc purchases? Be realistic.

Nations around Turkey ( you didn't Include Israel but we all know Turkey has issues with Israel) will arm up with weapons not available to Turkey ( F35, Rafale etc). Can Turkey afford to escalate? Does it have the economy to escalate?
Turkey and Israel have a love-hate relationship. They may curse each other from time to time but they know they cannot afford to go head to head. Israel knows this and that is why they don't go full in on the Greek and Cypriot relations. A gas pipeline from Israel all the way to Greece is too expensive and they need Turkey to export their gas. Less than 3 months ago, Turkey bashed Israel for their escalation in Gaza, last week the Israeli president invited the Turks for 'coffee'. This is how quick things can turn around in such a love-hate relationship.

As for Egypt, the Egyptians are loosing EEZ territory when they deal with Greeks and gain EEZ by dealing with Turkey. They know this and that is why they don't go fully along with the Greeks and leave the door slightly open to Turkey. And even if things escalate between Turkey and Egypt, the Egyptians stand no chance against the Turks in the East-Med. A military defeat will weaken the political and social instability in Egypt even further and will cause immense chaos. Egypt is currently busy with Ethiopia that is trying to cut it off from precious Nile water. Egypt cannot afford to make more enemies in the foreseeable future.

The most incredible thing however is that Turkey consider, in the background of all these hostilities, some nations like US, UK, Germany etc as allies. Little kids could figure out the folly behind this idea.
The US-Turkey relations are ambivalent, the Germans can do little besides sanctions and the UK is eager to deepen the cooperation. The UK and Turkish interests in the region coincide so there is no reason for it to go sour. Even when Turkey cleansed the north of Syria from YPG, the British just retreated without causing too much fuss while the US and the French bitched and moaned.

Turkish carrier with Hurjet and UAVs is not all that powerful as you think.
It is against non-state and weak state actors. A supersonic UAV with AESA, CeC, EOTS and ramjet BVR missiles can even take on other 5th gen fighters.
 

sequ

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Even though I watch the geopolitical developments with regards to Turkey closely, I want to refrain from commenting on it. I'm trying to focus more on the Turkish military-technological developments if you don't mind.
Thank you all for breaking my self-imposed rule. Back to the military-technological developments!
 

Gloire_bb

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A carrier sailing in front of the UAE coast would've made the Emirates think twice to support anti-Turkish causes. A Turkish carrier moored in Qatar will make the Saudi's think trice to invade Qatar.
That's a curious plan.
Ok, either nation sinks the pride of the Turkish navy (isolated, locked, and cut off behind Suez) and happily proceeds to support anti-Turkish causes.

Your actions?
 

Philister

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BTW, I'm more hyped by the MIUS than the Hurjet. The MIUS, depending on how good the AI autonomy is and the redundancy of its navigation systems might very well become what the Turkish navy is looking for instead of a manned carrier fighter.
What’s the purpose for getting a aircraft carrier so desperately? The greatest enemy of Turkey is the Hellenic Republic, even the US-Turkey relationship getting worse, Turkey is still a nato member,it doesn’t need to go against the US/EU/Rus
In what scenario would it necessitate for these two countries to try and sink a Turkish CBG for merely l
In what scenario would it necessitate for these two countries to try and sink a Turkish CBG for merely sailing in the Persian Gulf?
Let’s be honest ,these countries are pretty stupid,they may not think twice before doing anything, Saudi killed a man in your embassy,rational countries don’t do that, and fighting your “Muslim brothers ” won’t be pretty even if you win
 

Deino

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A supersonic UAV with AESA, CeC, EOTS and ramjet BVR missiles can even take on other 5th gen fighters.

IF ... and this sentence alone includes 6 huge ifs if not even 7:

IF there ever will be a "supersonic UAV" (aka IF it will ever have a functioning engine)
IF that will ever be fitted "with AESA"
IF there will ever be "CeC"
IF it will ever feature "EOTS"
IF the "ramjet BVR missiles" will be finished
and finally IF that all works, it is still highly questionable IF " it can even take on other 5th gen fighters"

Yes for sure, but you are already dreaming as IF this all is done and the whole world applauds Turkey for such a super-duper UAV no country before managed to make.

I would call this a typical WET DREAM. ;)


What’s the purpose for getting a aircraft carrier so desperately? The greatest enemy of Turkey is the Hellenic Republic, even the US-Turkey relationship getting worse, Turkey is still a nato member,it doesn’t need to go against the US/EU/Rus

And even more I'm more than convinced that not a single NATO member is willing to stand besides Turkey in case of a true war provoked by Turkey especially after it offended nearly all neighbours and alleged partners and acted like a bully against nearly everyone only to chest-bump its own regional power ambitions.
 
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schrage musik

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IF ... and this sentence alone includes 6 huge ifs if not even 7:

IF there ever will be a "supersonic UAV" (aka IF it will ever have a functioning engine)
IF that will ever be fitted "with AESA"
IF there will ever be "CeC"
IF it will ever feature "EOTS"
IF the "ramjet BVR missiles" will be finished
and finally IF that all works, it is still highly questionable IF " it can even take on other 5th gen fighters"

Yes for sure, but you are already dreaming as IF this all is done and the whole world applauds Turkey for such a super-duper UAV no country before managed to make.

I would call this a typical WET DREAM. ;)




And even more I'm more than convinced that not a single NATO member is willing to stand besides Turkey in case of a true war provoked by Turkey especially after it offended nearly all neighbours and alleged partners and acted like a bully against nearly everyone only to chest-bump its own regional power ambitions.

It is like talking to Deino's 12 year old kid!! Honestly dude, your posts read like a teenager's rants. IF you bothered to read up before posting that stupid comment, you'd have found out that those are the capabilities that Selcuk Bayraktar described MIUS will have. When the designer of TB-2 and the CTO of Bayraktar Defence says the MIUS UCAV will have X and Y, will undertake its first flight in 2023 and will be capable of taking off and landing on a carrier, i'll take his word over that of a primary school teacher who claims he is somehow "convinced" this is a "typical WET DREAM"

Selcuk is a MIT trained engineer. He has designed a first class combat drone. He probably knows what he is talking about. And from what you have posted here in the last few pages, you dont.
 

sequ

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IF there ever will be a "supersonic UAV" (aka IF it will ever have a functioning engine)
Because it's most likely going to use the
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in the subsonic version and
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in the supersonic one.

IF that will ever be fitted "with AESA"
Soon we'll see AESA radars on the
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and subsequently on the
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IF there will ever be "CeC"
It's a matter of electronics and software, both of which Turkey has a high degree of proficiency in.

IF it will ever feature "EOTS"
Oh yes it will by that time. Project '
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' (pomegranate) was initiated by various Turkish institutions including Aselsan in 2018 to indigenize FPA's for various IIR systems, cooled and uncooled detectors, missile seekers, SWIR, MWIR and LWIR detectors. Next year the Aselflir-F500C with HD resolution (1280*720) MWIR and SWIR will be integrated on various platforms.
For comparison, the original F-35 EOTS has a 1024*1024 resolution MWIR. According to
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(one of the signatories of the 'Nar' project and producers of ROIC), higher resolution FPA's are under development like 1280*1024, 2k*2k and 4k*4k.

The indigenization of the 640*512 FPA has already been completed seeing as the CATS is currently mass produced. According to a source, it previously used French Sofradir FPA's. And the 1024*768 FPA is currently being tested on the
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of Aselsan has already indicated on twitter that it would be his pleasure to 'decorate' the MIUS with whatever it suits.

IF the "ramjet BVR missiles" will be finished
Tubitak-Sage, the institution who is responsible of air-to-air missile development, previously said that they were working on ramjet engines. There was no indication about a solid-fuel ramjet engine being tested at all, untill the minister of defense recently stated that he looks forward to the 'Gokhan' ramjet air-to-air missile. Even more recently, the Head of Tubitak-Sage stated that the missile:
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You recently accused me of being like an 'INDIAN'. Well India is even further than Turkey in the BVR air-to-air (ramjet) department with the first test-launching of the Astra Mk3 ramjet propelled BVR missile more than
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ago. A feat worthy of praise.

and finally IF that all works, it is still highly questionable IF " it can even take on other 5th gen fighters"
The MIUS is smaller than other manned fighters and will have a VLO airframe without a cockpit. It can use various senors to detect targets and even other VLO targets with its passive sensors. The EOTS that it will use in the second half of this decade will have at least 1280*720 resolution. To see how good their performance will be in detecting air targets, take a look at this:


Detection at 180 km and with the supersonic speed and ramjet BVR, it will defeat its opponents with relative ease.

Yes for sure, but you are already dreaming as IF this all is done and the whole world applauds Turkey for such a super-duper UAV no country before managed to make.
Like the usage of the TB2, a small tactical drone that wiped out billions of dollars worth in military equipment as a worlds first? It comes as no surprise that a rising country can be a pioneer in a certain field. Selcuk Bayraktar is considered to be the Elon Musk of Turkey. And soon we'll be amazed by the air-to-air capability of the Akinci.

I would call this a typical WET DREAM. ;)
I wouldn't call it a dream, but a realistic perspective. But if you want to know what excites me, it would be
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;)
 
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