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sequ

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I know it must be hard for someone to accept that the previous provider of guest-workers is starting to become an industrialized powerhouse and rival to Germany. Some are stuck between denial, anger and bargaining. Given a little bit of time and it will evolve into depression and eventual acceptance :)
 
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Gloire_bb

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That's much more than India managed despite non stop show off and talk.
If you'll compare them project by project, industry by industry - no.
Turkey is a more developed economy (no wonder why), but scale matters, too.
Did you check how long the Chinese carrier project too until they are where they are now? And now some wants us to assume Turkey could develop, build and even more afford such a monster ... this is IMO beyond any logic. It is nothing but nationalistic chest-bumping!
Turkey doesn't aim for a 100% independent product.

So, if anything, when we're talking about a carrier - the ship itself is actually believable.
Producing independent aviation equipment, a domestic competitive 5th gen fighter, and fully capable heavy fighter drone ... well, less so.
 

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Launching a 30,000-40,000 ton aircraft carrier by 2030 is definitely within Turkey's ability.

However, I don't think it'll be flying more than navalized Hurjets and various drones for a while on it (it'll probably use a ski jump, and the TFX Block I with F110 turbofans might not have the performance to fly off a ski jump with a useful payload).
 

sequ

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Theoretically, a TF-X with a TOW of 55000lb (estimated 80% fuel and full air-to-air load-out) can take of from 200m runway given it has at least 50081lb of thrust with a TO speed of 216kph and at least an extra 39kph (255kph total ) speed from the Anadolu sailing into headwind.

The TF-X will have at least 58000lb of thrust with the F110 engines and 60000lb+ with indigenous engines.

Theoretically it can take-off from the Anadolu. But it's not feasible.

Vs^2=Vo^2+2ax
60^2=0+2a*202
a=900/101m/s^2=8,91

F=MxA
F=25000x900/101=222772 N
222772 N=50081 lb
 
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Deino

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I know it must be hard for someone to accept that the previous provider of guest-workers is starting to become an industrialized powerhouse and rival to Germany. Some are stuck between denial, anger and bargaining. Given a little bit of time and it will evolve into depression and eventual acceptance :)


The problem is not that someone here cannot accept that Turkey is developing further, my problem is that things are being propagated here in a highly nationalist-heated discussion that does not fit.

No serious analyst worldwide - ask Jane's, RUSI, Jamestown and others - believes that this is feasible: Neither in engine construction (first based on the GE F110, then with RR based on the EJ230??), in the entire process of the project, the scheduling ... nothing fits.

And instead of explaining HOW you want to do this after you haven't developed a single platform on your own, but only screwed together foreign types, after you gut foreign designs and develop them further, it is always dismissed as an affront, as if any critics does not trust Turkey, wishes only the worst.

Again: I wish you every success, but what is presented there is unrealistic, at least within the specified schedule.
But of course, you know that there is life on Venus, and I should prove to you that there is none ?!
 

sequ

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I'm wondering when one will go from constantly hopping between the denial, anger and bargaining phase into the depression phase?

When the first prototype of the Hurjet rolls out we are going to hear "but can it take-off?"
When the Hurjet takes off we'll hear "but can it break the sound barrier?"
When it breaks the soundbarrier we'll hear "but can it land on a carrier?"
And when it lands on a carrier we'll hear "but can Turkey make a 5th gen fighter?"

The cycle will never end.

The technological developments in Turkey has started to take-off exponentially but there are still those who are blind to see the previous linear progression. No amount of evidence is going to change their minds.

For those unfamiliar with the technological situation in Turkey I recommend to read the posts number: 958, 959, 960, 963 and 1046.
 

Deino

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I'm wondering when one will go from constantly hopping between the denial, anger and bargaining phase into the depression phase?

When the first prototype of the Hurjet rolls out we are going to hear "but can it take-off?"
When the Hurjet takes off we'll hear "but can it break the sound barrier?"
When it breaks the soundbarrier we'll hear "but can it land on a carrier?"
And when it lands on a carrier we'll hear "but can Turkey make a 5th gen fighter?"

The cycle will never end.

The technological developments in Turkey has started to take-off exponentially but there are still those who are blind to see the previous linear progression. No amount of evidence is going to change their minds.

For those unfamiliar with the technological situation in Turkey I recommend to read the posts number: 958, 959, 960, 963 and 1046.


You are like an INDIAN ;) ... all I hear is "WHEN"!

You ignore all justified concerns - not by me, I'm not important - but by true analysts and any critic is either turned down as an anti-Turk insult or simply ignored. You have no explanations at all.

As such I'll try it again: Hurjet is indeed possible, likely or realistic and I never denied it but an aircraft carrier, Hurjet off an aircraft carrier and the TFX are not, at least not by the information you or any other one mentions. The facts simply don't fit ... but please continue with your list of "WHENs"!

And while you try to divert with bombastic "technological developments in Turkey" the Turkish Lira and its overall economic situation is far from flourishing!
 
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sequ

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The 200th Bayraktar TB2 was produced

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Baykar Defense produced the 200th Bayraktar TB2. Engineers signed a memorial painting to commemorate the production of the 200th Bayraktar TB2 at Baykar Defense's production facility in Istanbul. Bayraktar TB2 made its first flight on 29 April 2014. Bayraktar TB2, which successfully completed 200,000 flight hours on June 10, 2020, broke a new record in the history of Turkish aviation. Poland, Ukraine, Qatar, Libya and Azerbaijan; Bayraktar is known as the countries that bought TB2. Apart from these, about 10 more countries are closely interested in Bayraktar TB2.

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Gloire_bb

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I'm wondering when one will go from constantly hopping between the denial, anger and bargaining phase into the depression phase?
A lot can go wrong when you're making remotely controlled drones now, and plan for carrier-borne 5th gen fighters with autonomous naval drones by the end of this decade. There is a whole bunch of steps in-between, and you're planning for them before first actual Turkish jet (Hurjet) has even rolled out, much less flown (and even less - obtained experience for the team).

To be more specific, Turkey is planning to become the first country ever to make such plans go right. People are in their right to be skeptical here.

For comparison - there were a lot of giggles on this forum about Taiwanese plans to somehow make their own 5th gen fighter...but their first jet first flew in 1980, and Taiwan actually has all the necessary industry in place...
 

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