The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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BMP surviving javelin strike even the turret is still functional, after rescuing LNR soldiers :
Most likely a malfunctioning NLAW than a Javelin.

I am not even sure what's your point is. Are you angry that all those things you loved to hear was just made up?
Not angry, just pointing out the hypocrisy and how a lot of people crawled out of the woodwork and started posting more often once the news weren't as favorable for one side over the other.
 

baykalov

Senior Member
Registered Member
Everything from the beginning of the war... Want a comprehensive list of Russian and Pro-Russian lies and propaganda???... Although you have sponsored that the Ukrainians have failed and lost unimaginable numbers in the "failed Kherson offensive" , even if you don't have any real evidence... You downplayed the Russian losses in Kharkov, even though there is more visual confirmation of the Ukrainian losses in Kherson.... Continually when talking about Kharkov, you diverted the subject to Kherson... Now that the Russian invaders are having a very bad time in Kherson, it's time to go back to February and justify himself in the ghost of kyiv...

objectivity is not his thing, there is no disguise that is worth...
You forget that Zelensky closed the borders to all Ukrainian men back in February and Ukraine is now in its sixth month of mandatory mobilization or you go to jail. Russia has only just announced mobilisation, and partial mobilisation at that. This fact alone reminds us that Ukrainian casualties are many times more than Russian casualties.

When Russia advances, they do so at the expense of Ukrainian forces while preserving their own.

When Ukraine advances they do so at the expense of Ukrainian forces while Russia preserves their own.

They are not fighting for territory at this point in time - they are preserving their forces while destroying the finite reserves Ukraine has assembled for these large-scale offensives.

Asking every day/hour about Kharkov, Lyman, Kherson - this village and that village - while ignoring the logistical and sustainment cliff Ukraine's forces are hurdling over means you don't get it and probably won't at this point.

As for disinformation - Ukraine has surpassed Russia in fake news and fabrications.

Musk himself yesterday realized the power of pro-Ukrainian bots and trolls on Twitter.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Looks like Russia is on the ropes, taking punches both in the east and the south. But does Ukraine have enough power to deliver the knockout blow?

According to ISW, even Russia’s elite units have been mauled to incapacity:

“As ISW has previously reported, the Russian groupings in northern Kherson Oblast and on the Lyman front were largely comprised of units that had been regarded as among Russia’s premier conventional fighting forces before the war.[3] Elements of the 144th Motorized Rifle Division of the 20th Combined Arms Army reportedly withdrew from Lyman to rear positions near Kreminna before October 2.[4] Russian sources previously reported that elements of the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV), especially the 76th Guards Air Assault Division, are active in Kherson Oblast.[5] Both the 144th Motorized Rifle Division and the 76th Guards Air Assault Division were previously lauded as some of Russia’s most elite forces, and their apparent failures to hold territory against major Ukrainian counter-offensive actions is consistent with ISW’s previous assessment that even the most elite Russian military forces are becoming increasingly degraded as the war continues.”

Russia is seriously struggling to stabilize the frontline by trading territory for land while waiting for the direly needed reinforcements. The momentum is still on the Ukrainian side. I don’t see signs of them culminating yet. Do you?

I did come across claims that the rain season and low cloud cover has had an impact on Ukrainian reconnaissance and reduced the effectiveness of their artillery support .
Stop posting garbage from ISW

 

sheogorath

Major
Registered Member
Although you have sponsored that the Ukrainians have failed and lost unimaginable numbers in the "failed Kherson offensive" even if you don't have any real evidence...
Until a few days ago, you posted only about Kharkov and before that, you only posted once a week whenever the Ukranians managed to land a hit on an ammo depot so spare me the bs about sponsoring propaganda.

Also you mention the "real evidence" as if we haven't seen videos day in and day out of Ukranian armored formations getting hammered by artillery and aviation around Kherson, so there is no need to "sponsor"anything. And even the Ukranians have admited as much, are they Russian propagandists too?.
 
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tokenanalyst

Brigadier
Registered Member
Where are the proof of those looses the ukranian are having?,because if you think I going to take your word or the Russian MOD word you are dreaming.Russians always lie, always yo forget that at your own risk.
Following this wars has become almost impossible and we are suppose to live in the information age. I know the thruth is the first causality of war but I would have to guesstimate that if the Ukrainians already need another massive weapon package just a few months from the other big one, at least some grinding on their army most going on.

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baykalov

Senior Member
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Well, if it weren't for those massive arms packages, and financial support from 40+ rich countries, Ukraine would have capitulated long ago. London and Washington sabotaged the peace talks in the spring.

Typical proxy war. Too bad Ukrainians are paying with their lives.
 
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