The War in the Ukraine

lucretius

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Massive arms packages?

16 HIMARS wouldn't fill a single Russian train.

Your right about money though. Without Ukraine's debt being guaranteed they could not have afforded to fight.
 

Janiz

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Well, if it weren't for those massive arms packages, and financial support from 40+ rich countries, Ukraine would have capitulated long ago. London and Washington sabotaged the peace talks in the spring.
Well if it weren't for enormous corruption at every level of social life, making fortunes out of poor people making them even poorer and creating some baseless dystopian and dysfunctional state without backing up in economy in the name of whatever I bet Russia would fare much better in any sort of military conflict.

The difference is in morale and people still fight wars - not equipment.
 

Overbom

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Well, if it weren't for those massive arms packages, and financial support from 40+ rich countries, Ukraine would have capitulated long ago. London and Washington sabotaged the peace talks in the spring.

Typical proxy war. Too bad Ukrainians are paying with their lives.
No mention of having all of NATO ISR assets in the área at their disposal, as if that is something minor.

Without it, even with all of the equipment received, they would have fáiled miserably a long time ago
What's the complaint here? There is no unfair or fair in the world.

Its only if you are strong enough.
Russia wanted to bully Ukraine because it felt Ukraine was weak. Now NATO is "bullying" Russia because Russia is weak enough.

Simple as that. The lessons to take from this debacle is:
  • Being weak, you deserve to be trampled.
  • If you are weak, seek external help
  • If you are weak, and can't seek external help, lower your demands, and external help will surely come.
 

sheogorath

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What's the complaint here? There is no unfair or fair in the world.

Its only if you are strong enough.
Russia wanted to bully Ukraine because it felt Ukraine was weak. Now NATO is "bullying" Russia because Russia is weak enough.

Simple as that. The lessons to take from this debacle is:
  • Being weak, you deserve to be trampled.
  • If you are weak, seek external help
  • If you are weak, and can't seek external help, lower your demands, and external help will surely come.
Does count as weakness if Russia is perfectly capable of knocking them out but at the risk of escalating the conflict with no guarantee of it not going nuclear?
 

Overbom

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Does count as weakness if Russia is perfectly capable of knocking them out but at the risk of escalating the conflict with no guarantee of it not going nuclear?
Yes it does. If you have a weapon but can't or won't use it, does it really count as a weapon then?

I am not saying that nuclear weapons are useless but due to the taboo of using them, they can only be used for deterrence or for nuclear blackmail (which Russia could very well opt to go for, which in that case, they are not useless and as such, Russia is strong).

Terms of strong or weak are interchangeable depending on the circumstances on the ground. While Russia relies only on conventional weaponry it can be called weak relative to the entire West. When it comes to nuclear weapons, Russia can be considered strong.

As at the moment nuclear weapons are not in the conversation, Russia can be considered weak which is why you see all these NATO actions from the start of the war until now
 

Sheleah

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Until a few days ago, you posted only about Kharkov and before that, you only posted once a week whenever the Ukranians managed to land a hit on an ammo depot so spare me the bs about sponsoring propaganda.

Also you mention the "real evidence" as if we haven't seen videos day in and day out of Ukranian armored formations getting hammered by artillery and aviation around Kherson, so there is no need to "sponsor"anything. And even the Ukranians have admited as much, are they Russian propagandists too?.
Generally if I feel like referring to a topic I do so, I did not know that you were the one who dictated the topic to be published, however, I have more than a month, waiting for a single proof of the thousands of Ukrainian casualties that you suppose and want adjust to his narrative, but that does not justify more than with videos than in numbers, they fall short of the videos that there are of the Russian casualties in Kherson... When you bring a moderately credible source, let me know
 
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lolrus

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Of course, and I tell you in advance, that if you don't like the sources, it is much more than what you can prove of the Supposed Zs

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When the headlines came out, I didn't see you talking about Russian war crimes... Right?




However, you are not mentioning an official designation by the Russian army. There are units that make graffiti on some of their equipment, on other equipment of the same unit, it may not be marked with any letter... Do not pretend, that an unofficial, non-compulsory action becomes an official flag, insignia or banner, just to adjust it to its narrative... The armbands are the same, some use them, others don't... There is a video where some Russians kill to a Ukrainian who asks for identification, while they were approaching... You shouted to the sky that it was a war crime???



Generally if I feel like referring to a topic I do so, I did not know that you were the one who dictated the topic to be published, however, I have more than a month, waiting for a single proof of the thousands of Ukrainian casualties that you suppose and want adjust to his narrative, but that does not justify more than with videos than in numbers, they fall short of the videos that there are of the Russian casualties in Kherson... When you bring a moderately credible source, let me know




It is important that you say it, because the Russian MoD has done it on several occasions, even bothering Russian accounts like Romanov who has complained several times on his telegram... Obviously you have muted those actions that come from the Russian MoD



Believe me I will be in every setback that the Russian invaders have in Ukrainian territories... To praise invading actions, that job is taken for free by people like you
Ukraine is undoubtedly suffering massive casualties for their counteroffensive. There have been multiple articles where they interviewed Ukrainian soldiers at the frontline and universally the reports have been terrible losses for the Ukrainians in their push for territorial control. I'll link some of these articles and I believe everybody would agree that the New York Times and Washington Post holds a fairly pro-Ukrainian stance and is far from being pro-Russia.

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The quotes from the Ukrainian soldiers that “we lost five people for every one they did” and "we lost 50 guys in two hours" definitely paint a picture in line with Russia's claim that they are bleeding Ukrainian manpower for every bit of land they are taking.

There is also definitely a propaganda push online now where any negative news regarding Ukraine is heavily criticized regardless of how factual they are. The best example that comes to mind is Julian Röpcke. Regardless of how factual you believe he's claims are, You can quite clearly see despite being quite pro-Ukrainian, when his post conflict with Ukrainian propaganda he is quite heavily criticized and often time without merit, with a lot of criticism simply attacking his character instead of what he is reporting.


As a result there's a lot of selfcensorship online regarding the Ukraine conflict where Ukrainian achievement are often over-hyped, and its losses or shady actions are undercounted or brushed aside.
 
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One major major major problem that Russia has is their lack of optical satellites. They only have 3 operational optical recon satellites remaining: the recently launched (March 2022) BARS-M, then Persona 2 and 3. All their other satellites like the EMKA series decayed out of orbit and weren't replaced, or failed.

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This is nothing. Russian Space Forces are asleep or something. For comparison, China has the civilian Jilin-1 constellation with 75 full sized (1+ ton, <1 m resolution) optical satellites.

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If Russian forces are not buying satellite imagery from China, they have to start yesterday. It is no wonder Ukrainian forces are achieving operational surprise.
 

tokenanalyst

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One major major major problem that Russia has is their lack of optical satellites. They only have 3 operational optical recon satellites remaining: the recently launched (March 2022) BARS-M, then Persona 2 and 3. All their other satellites like the EMKA series decayed out of orbit and weren't replaced, or failed.

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This is nothing. Russian Space Forces are asleep or something. For comparison, China has the civilian Jilin-1 constellation with 75 full sized (1+ ton, <1 m resolution) optical satellites.

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If Russian forces are not buying satellite imagery from China, they have to start yesterday. It is no wonder Ukrainian forces are achieving operational surprise.
You think a near space blimp drone or a near space balloon could have help them to overcome their satellite-surveillance deficit?
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