The War in the Ukraine


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SampanViking

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<<Continuation of Ukrainian War Developments locked thread>>

After much discussion and against the wishes of some, the final decision has been for a new thread on the Ukrainian War to be opened.

Everybody should be aware that this is a special thread, in response to special circumstances and that a special rule regime will be enforce on this thread and this thread only. These rules will not apply to the rest of the forum.

Additional Rules:


This is a military forum and this thread will be a military thread.

It is a Military Operation thread dealing with:
Strategy
Tactics
Events/Movements on the Battlefield
Equipment used and its performance
Debunking propaganda and false claims using actual battlefield based evidence

With regard to Graphic content - meaningful content from the battlefield will almost invariably contain some graphic images, it will often be unavoidable.
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Amendment #1 (09/13/2022 by @Phead128 @LawLeadsToPeace @HereToSeePics @vincent ):

Currently, the War in the Ukraine thread has devolved from a relatively mature discussion to an absolute ultranationalist clusterf**k with little substance. Many users blatantly ignored our numerous warnings and downgraded the discussion to something that is found in 4Chan. Given this dire situation, the moderators for the World Armed Forces decided to establish an additional list of rules and etiquettes that one must follow:

Rules:
The following are banned:
1. Discussion of Oryx's controversy and flaunting Oryx's numbers as if it is the absolute truth are forbidden. It should instead be treated as a source that is iffy given the fog of war, not as one that is absolutely accurate or as one that is absolutely fake (Ex1: But Oryx said this. Oryx’s numbers show the Russians suck; Ex2: Oryx is a liar and should be shut down). An acceptable statement would be like: “According to Oryx’s numbers, Russia lost X amount of tanks. Assuming that is true, this shows how bad the Russians’ combat performance is in this war”

2. Any politically controversial statements like "Fighting to the last Ukrainian", "Ukro Nazis", and etc.

3. Politics and economics in general are banned (such as "Russia should do full mobilization. Otherwise they will die" or "Let's see what happens when the winter will arrive and freeze the Europeans to death")

4. Sarcastic statements, like “looks like the invaders have decided to regroup eastward” with a picture of burning tanks

5. Dehumanizing statements in general

6. Claims without credible evidence (Ex: I heard Russia suffered 30000 deaths in the past 4 hours)

7. Going off topic that isn’t related with the military aspects of the war (if you believe the discussion you are in is going off topic, let the other person know that and move the discussion elsewhere)

8. Jingoistic chest thumping is banned (Ex: if Russia had 1000 Chinese drones, they will slaughter the Ukrainians; Russia will rise again; the orcs will get destroyed and Putler will die in a bunker like his teacher did)

9. Posting tweets with little to no commentary even if they are self explanatory (even a simple sentence like, “here is a video posted online perhaps by a Ukrainian of a burning tank with Ukrainian markings in Kharkiv”, would not be deleted)

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So here we are in Russia's phase two Offensive
Russian forces are slowly grinding their way through the Ukrainian defenses in the Donbas with the most progress being made from the Northern Salient protruding from Izyum.

More generally, Russia is attacking transport infrastructure and logistical centers throughout the country.
Ukraine is attempting limited counterattacks at the edges of the Russian held territories around Kharkov and north of Kherson
Over to you........
 

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Kherson look like the riskier front for the Russian, don't know if they will bring reinforcement from Crimea. Only two access through 2 bridges, one in Kherson and nova kakhovka. Don't know the state of these bridge but the Russian forces can be cut off easily...

The fog of war is heavy in Russia, it's been a while that we don't see a lot of convoy sightings.

Odessa is clearly a far reach presently.
 
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gadgetcool5

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With all the attention focused on Donbas and Kherson, the Ukrainians have made a dramatic blitz advance on the Kharkov front in the past 48 hours (advance is 32km in that time).

With the capture of Staryi Saltiv, the Ukrainians are now within artillery range (from the west) of the rail line from Belgorod to Izyum. If that is cut off, the Russian troops in Izyum risk being cut off and encircled from their flank to the north. Ironically despite all the talk of the Ukrainians being encircled, it may be the Russians who find themselves suddenly encircled. I made reference to this when the Russians originally withdrew from the north. I said they needed to defend three fronts- Kherson, Donbas, and Kharkov.

They did ok with Kherson and Donbas so far but have been getting massacred near Kharkov. To save their position they probably need to halt their Donbas offensive to reinforce the Kharkov front.
 
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Glad to see the thread back.

Over the last two weeks or so I keep seeing on pro-Russia social media that there are instances of Ukrainian forces selling their western equipment to DNR/LNR militia for cash. A particular instance says the price for a whole armour vehicle was negotiated on USD basis but then militia handed over a stack of rubles for payment. When the Ukrainians complained that rubles is not legal tender here the militias replied "oh don't worry, it will be soon" and then the deal was made.

Is there any basis for such rumour? It would go somewhat to explain the extreme amount of gear Ukrainians are apparently going through.

It's also curious if people are welling to accept rubles outside of Donbas and Kherson currently under Russian control. Surely if you show people a big stash of rubles you are liable to be arrested by SBU for suspected treason.
 

Maikeru

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Glad to see the thread back.

Over the last two weeks or so I keep seeing on pro-Russia social media that there are instances of Ukrainian forces selling their western equipment to DNR/LNR militia for cash. A particular instance says the price for a whole armour vehicle was negotiated on USD basis but then militia handed over a stack of rubles for payment. When the Ukrainians complained that rubles is not legal tender here the militias replied "oh don't worry, it will be soon" and then the deal was made.

Is there any basis for such rumour? It would go somewhat to explain the extreme amount of gear Ukrainians are apparently going through.

It's also curious if people are welling to accept rubles outside of Donbas and Kherson currently under Russian control. Surely if you show people a big stash of rubles you are liable to be arrested by SBU for suspected treason.
Sounds at least as credible as the "Ghost of Kiev" :rolleyes:
 

SteelBird

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Russia has suffered significant lost in Ukraine to drones; however, the recent lost of two patrol boats proves that they haven't learnt. I just wonder it is so difficult to defend against attacks from drones?
 
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