The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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36D6M Tin Shield search radar taken out by Lancet-3.

So intriguing to see all these radar with high mobilility getting wrecked by Lancet helped with spotter drones. It look like they are not detecting them at all or the crew is spotting them and just staying still.

Maybe they are just leaving it to not being killed and letting it being destroyed.

Packing it fast when detecting the spotter and fleeing would give the system a better chance of surviving. That system is made to be highly mobile. Just strange.


It look like a CIWS could be heard again in Odessa. Last year when thay started using GERAN, a CIWS was heard too over Odessa near the port facilities.

 
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Stealthflanker

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So intriguing to see all these radar with high mobilility getting wrecked by Lancet helped with spotter drones. It look like they are not detecting them at all or the crew is spotting them and just staying still.

Maybe they are just leaving it to not being killed and letting it being destroyed.

Packing it fast when detecting the spotter and fleeing would give the system a better chance of surviving. That system is made to be highly mobile. Just strange.

There could be some factors.

1.The drone flies too slow to be properly detected. Typical air defense radar, as means to reject clutter will have a minimum speed limit of the target that could be detected. For example S-300's 5N63 radar have minimum detectable velocity of 125 km/h Thus anything slower than this would be rejected as clutter therefore not displayed. As for 36D6, it has minimum detectable velocity of some 60-180 km/h. Per Janes 2001.

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2.The drone is below the minimum RCS detectable by the radar. Typical early warning radar like that ST-68 would have something called STC or "Sensitivity Time Control" Which will impose constraint on what is detectable target RCS and for what distance. e.g STC is applied up to 50 km for a target with 1 m sqm. Means that the radar would reject any target having RCS of 1 sqm or less. This feature is common particularly in Airport Radar to prevent saturation of the display from birds etc from close range.
 

Atomicfrog

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There could be some factors.

1.The drone flies too slow to be properly detected. Typical air defense radar, as means to reject clutter will have a minimum speed limit of the target that could be detected. For example S-300's 5N63 radar have minimum detectable velocity of 125 km/h Thus anything slower than this would be rejected as clutter therefore not displayed. As for 36D6, it has minimum detectable velocity of some 60-180 km/h. Per Janes 2001.

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2.The drone is below the minimum RCS detectable by the radar. Typical early warning radar like that ST-68 would have something called STC or "Sensitivity Time Control" Which will impose constraint on what is detectable target RCS and for what distance. e.g STC is applied up to 50 km for a target with 1 m sqm. Means that the radar would reject any target having RCS of 1 sqm or less. This feature is common particularly in Airport Radar to prevent saturation of the display from birds etc from close range.
Would need a Strela system with optical searching photocontrast homing deployed with these radar to counter slow moving drones. Probably not enough systems for layering defences. Just ugly to see valuable systems getting killed like that.
 

Tam

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Would need a Strela system with optical searching photocontrast homing deployed with these radar to counter slow moving drones. Probably not enough systems for layering defences. Just ugly to see valuable systems getting killed like that.

We still see so many of these short AD systems like Osas and Strelas still getting picked off by these Lancets. This creates a cascading or domino effect, letting radars and other AD systems even more isolated and easier to kill. You need close in AD systems to have a certain level of front density to create a sufficiently impenetrable defense live, but perhaps the numbers of AD systems are no longer there.


Despite heavy cope netting, Lancet manages to take out this 2S1 Gvozdika.


Paratroopers using Lancet to do in this M777. Lancets are usually assigned to artillery units, but now I see them in units that did not use them previously.


A UR-77 Meteorite wreaks havoc. Used this way, this is a very short ranged weapon, and won't be of use in open spaces beyond a forest or urban setting.


Must have hit something to create that big of an explosion. Russian artillery and tank working together firing at Ukrainian positions at night.


 
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SolarWarden

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They cannot just vaporize themselves in thin air, any interception means rain of debris, and warheads if not destroyed... Failed interception means whole missile is coming down.


If warhead hasn't detonated on interception but somehow survives and detonates on ground without hitting its intended target it is not a fail interception. If storm shadow ever gets intercepted and doesn't reach its intended target whether warhead detonates or not it is a fail for storm shadow.
 
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