The War in the Ukraine

Boltzmann said:

Could've been staged by the Russians, or the Ukrainians could have used small drones to make their radar signature basically undetectable. Of course the corrolary of that is that they can't pack more than like a grenade at most. It's meant as psychological warfare; to show that Moscow isn't immune. They can't do real damage.

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Isn’t it possible for them to take it apart and assemble it in some rural area. It doesnt necessarily have to fly all the way from Ukraine to Moscow. As for the “could’ve been staged,” we heard that for the NPP and then Telegraph many months later said the Ukrainians attacked it. Same thing with the kremlin attack when western officials poured cold water on it. Then you have to ask yourself the question. Why would the Russians need to stage anything? We just had the Belgorod raid not that long ago.

FairAndUnbiased said:

if you want to know the real efficacy of Russian strikes, see Ukraine's real economic data. Go ahead and click UKRENERGO, generation. Daily production went from ~20 GW to ~10 GW after the war and has not recovered.

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As electricity is a fundamental requirement for a modern economy, and 50% collapse in generation would've been catastrophic without a similarly large loss of population, the situation for an analogous occupied territory that doesn't have the capability to send refugees away, and which is far less fuel and food self sufficient, is self evident.

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Most of those infrastructure strikes happened before Western AA systems is in Ukraine in numbers, so you cannot use it to estimate the effectiveness of Western GBAD based on limited data points. S-300 against shaheds and cruise missiles should be something that the PLA already have plenty of data of and as we know s-300 should have no hope against something like Kinzhal. It's only recently do we have some of the most advanced weapons on each side being used against one another in a active war, i.e Patriot Pac-3 vs Kinzhal, Storm shadow vs layered AA, which are critical data needed for AR.

anzha said:

That said, how in the world did the Ukrainians fly multiple drones over 450 km to Moscow undetected?

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Is not the only option. Considering how porous the border is, could have been a sabotage group within Moscow

FriedButter said:

It’s not like this thread is really all that active. Not to mention I am sure a good chuck of this active user base is on the Western hemisphere. So it would be dead of night right about now.

The MOD is saying 8 drones were involved.

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Latest reports say 32

Atomicfrog said:

They cannot just vaporize themselves in thin air, any interception means rain of debris, and warheads if not destroyed... Failed interception means whole missile is coming down.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1663152842595500032

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SAMs should have a fail safe self destruct to make sure they don't land as a whole in the manner described on the civil population. This occurs when the SAM is a miss or fails to engage target.


ATGM destroys full Ukrainian APC running away.


Russian artillery strikes against a bridge in the Ugledar direction. A problem of this area is the relatively few roads which makes is predictable for drones to patrol on.


Burning building in Kiev is likely from a SAM miss.

anzha said:

That said, how in the world did the Ukrainians fly multiple drones over 450 km to Moscow undetected?

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They have been lazy with their CAP apparently. Ground based system are just too limited in horizon and what target they could pick at low altitude.

Some of these drones are no faster than a car and car is a radar clutter which warrant elimination through STC's.

Ideally fighter jets should be up there on the outside.

Also which part of Moscow tho, as Moscow is not just the city. It's an entire oblast.

Stealthflanker said:

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Also which part of Moscow tho, as Moscow is not just the city. It's an entire oblast.

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This is the best I found

anzha said:

So. No one is bringing it up?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1663401852166127619

Moscow was attacked by several drones. Some apartments were hit as far as I can tell and no casualties. That said, how in the world did the Ukrainians fly multiple drones over 450 km to Moscow undetected?

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We cant say for sure it was 450km, could have easyly started flying inside Russia already like the Kremlin one

There are multiple reports of the Patriots being hit again yesterday but evidence of it will be hard to come by as long people keep getting jailed for recording, though there are satellite images of craters in the area of the airport, but we'll see.


Fighterbomber claims that unlike previous ocasions only 7 PAC-3 interceptors were fired which either suggests a fall of available launchers or the Ukranians haven't been able to replenish them


Trying to hit a Geran with a rifle and thermal cameras but the drone still manages to strike the target


Video on the difference between Shahed and Geran drones, there is a claim about Tu-22 and Flankers being able to carry and launch them but I seriously doubt that and there is no photo evidence of any of it.

Deino said:

This is the best I found

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1663465865080102912

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Some of the drones were civilian aircraft converted into drones, flying near the airport ...
Well, same strategy as with drones at sea, hiding among civilian targets ...