PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

bd popeye

bd popeye

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLABUDDY said:
can we go back to chinese carrier discussion now?
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I agree. I know the world is a few years away from seeing a PLAN CVBG. I just wonder about what sort of aircraft will be on the CV? Personally unless the PLAN has some sort of sea going variant of the J-10 in R&D somewhere they should purchase Russian Mig-29's.
 
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Raven

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLA Buddy,

this was a discussion on what the PLAN would need to do if it planned on having fullsized convention aircraft flying on and off of CVs. It was also a discussion of why so few nations invest time,money and lives in operating carriers.

So now that we move back to the PLAN CV, what is there discuss about it?
Here are some questions the PLAN needs to ask itself

-What aircraft are availble to be used as carrier aircraft?

-What kinds of missions do we want to fly from any CV?

-What kinds of support facilities will a CV and it's air wing require?

-What kinds of things make a conventional CV work?

-What would the CV battle group look like?

-What is the min/max number of combat aircraft such a CV could have?

-Where are the Fighter,Attack and various support squadrons coming from?

-How do arrestor systems and cross deck pendants work?

-How do catapults work?

-Will Su-30s,J-11s or J-10s become CV based aircraft.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Raven said:
PLA Buddy,

this was a discussion on what the PLAN would need to do if it planned on having fullsized convention aircraft flying on and off of CVs. It was also a discussion of why so few nations invest time,money and lives in operating carriers.

So now that we move back to the PLAN CV, what is there discuss about it?
Here are some questions the PLAN needs to ask itself

-What aircraft are availble to be used as carrier aircraft?

-What kinds of missions do we want to fly from any CV?

-What kinds of support facilities will a CV and it's air wing require?

-What kinds of things make a conventional CV work?

-What would the CV battle group look like?

-What is the min/max number of combat aircraft such a CV could have?

-Where are the Fighter,Attack and various support squadrons coming from?

-How do arrestor systems and cross deck pendants work?

-How do catapults work?

-Will Su-30s,J-11s or J-10s become CV based aircraft.
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Very nice Raven. I've asked some of those questions myself in the old forum. As and old salt I know you just can't operate a CV overnight. Many in this forum are very young and do not understand the complexties of operating a CV.

I don't think any PLAN CV will have catapults. Aressting gear probaly. So they should obtain an aircraft like a Mig-29. As for the escorts I think the PLAN is doing well now to develop these type ships.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Raven said:
-What aircraft are availble to be used as carrier aircraft?
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The aircraft purchases, or their own new designs, or modifications to their own designs, will tell us what type of carrier program the PLAN intends.

If they start buying or building SU-33s...or even modifying exitsing SU-27 or SU-30 aircraft to become SU-33-like aircraft, then they are looking at the Varyag and a fuller CV capability. Probably following that up with a full deck carrier of their own in the future.

If it is mods to the J-10 or Mig-29s, then IMHO, they intend a less capable, more defensive carrier supporting ASW and Amphib ops, but not full power projection.

We'll just have to wait and see. My own personal opinion is that they intend on doing something with the Varyag.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
No the USN does not have the acoustic signature for the Song class. But trust me the USN is working on that. Yuan I'm not sure of.
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Popeye, are you aware that the Song has been being delivered to the PLAN since 1994? The PLAN has eight or nine of them.

I will bet dollars to doughnuts that the USN has the sig of the Song.

The Yuan is the new boat, delivered first last year in 2004. They have two of them.

It is thought that this was the boat that was off Guam last year...but I do not know that.

Either way, I would be surprized, if it has been very far out of harbor at all into the open waters of the South China Sea or beyond, if an ADCAP LA boat, or maybe even one of the Sea Wolves hasn't tagged it.
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

well, no one said a remote control ming was easy, just possible
even if china has had the song for a while, how has the u.s obtained its sig.
have p-3s been spying in chinese waters? unlikely.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

PLABUDDY said:
can we go back to chinese carrier discussion now? So Jeff are u going to show us the new pic u have?
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Here you go PLABUDDY, a PLAN CBG with two carriers, two 52Cs, two 51Cs, 1 52B, one Sov, two 054 FFGs and FIVE SSNs.

sat_plan_vhvycbg.jpg
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

a carrier will do china alot of good.
if they want a carrier fast, fix varyag and buy sea flankers. i dont see the point of a mig.

if they want one a bit later, build your own off a european design, and put j-10 varient on it.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: Anti-Carrier Trump Card

MIGleader said:
how has the u.s obtained its sig.
have p-3s been spying in chinese waters?
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If they did, it would most likely be other subs, either ADCAP LA or Sea Wolf, in the China and South China Seas.

USN boats would regularly tag Soviet subs soon after they left port and got into international waters...outside of a 12 or so mile zone. Sometimes sooner I am told.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

MIGleader said:
if they want a carrier fast, fix varyag and buy sea flankers. if they want one a bit later, build your own and put j-10 varient on it.
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I believe the PLAN may well do both.
 
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