PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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MIGleader said:

remote countrol mings and romeos?? its possible. the chinese have already made j-5 drones.

the klub is also a possibility for long range attack on a cvbg.

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do you realize how much it would cost to make the mings and romeos and control them by radio? how will they link the sonar to the ground/ship?? they are going to hit each other before some USN ship sinks them.
im thinking of something like a boey you can stick all around the sea, and when you activate them they makes acoustic signature of kilos, yuan, and songs; that way it will make it look like they got you surrounded; basically like big under speakers that blast the acoustic signature of subs

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swimmerXC said:

do you realize how much it would cost to make the mings and romeos and control them by radio? how will they link the sonar to the ground/ship?? they are going to hit each other before some USN ship sinks them.
im thinking of something like a boey you can stick all around the sea, and when you activate them they makes acoustic signature of kilos, yuan, and songs; that way it will make it look like they got you surrounded; basically like big under speakers that blast the acoustic signature of subs

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Remote control subs are a fantasy. How do you control them when there are volumes of water between the sub and the control system?

Bouey decoy will not fool a US sub sonar man. They are not moving and constantly stay at a single depth in the water.
Each ship on the ocean has a very distinct sound and the US probably has a data base full of what every PLAN ship sounds like.

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im not thinkging of turning them all before the ships arrive, more like when the real subs come in turn them on to distract teh sonarman for a couple of minutes

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Submarines have weapons other than Torpedos and AShM's. You can use your submarine fleet to deploy anti-ship mines. The sea mines today are far more advanced than the old floating balls shaped contact type, with anti-sweep features, rockets, remote control/activation, etc.

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IDonT said:

Remote control subs are a fantasy. How do you control them when there are volumes of water between the sub and the control system?

Bouey decoy will not fool a US sub sonar man. They are not moving and constantly stay at a single depth in the water.
Each ship on the ocean has a very distinct sound and the US probably has a data base full of what every PLAN ship sounds like.

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they probably have a kilo's sig, but not a yuans or songs.
a remote control ming is not impossible, all you need to do is steer it, not fore it or submerge it or anything complicated.

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well from all this, i can prettty much say for all of you, that the only chance PLAN got to defeat carriers is underwater and not on the surface?

PLAN CVs

I agree with Jeff and Popeye,

It takes years to train a pilot to be a naval aviator. The helicopter pilots to the E2 and C2 pilots take months to prepare for the first carrier qualification tests (CQs). Again, as I mentioned above, you have to see C2s, Hornets and E2s in the landing pattern for HOURS doing night FCLPs (Field Carrier Landing Practice). In fact, the US Navy has more training fields than active duty Air Stations.

Ship Board Naval Aviation is very demanding of the aircrews,ground crews, ship's company as well as the aircraft. It is very expensive, time consuming and requires tremendous support. At Fentres NALF, where the C2s,E2s,Hornets and Super Bugs do FCLPs there is a fight to get the entire squadrons in on time. The current limit is 5 aircraft in the pattern. As such, squadrons schedule time to get as many pilots FCLP time as they can. More FLCPs go on at Chambers Field and Oceana.

Could the PLAN do it? Sure, but they have to spend billions on the training program. Aside from France and Brazil, the US is the only continuous operator of conventional full deck CVs. The Russians would like to get more funding for their ships but their excersises are very limited in scope and duration. They have great pilots, good aircraft but no funding.

Other Carrier Nations do get help from the US Navy. The Super Entendards of the Argentine Navy have done CQs often on our CV/Ns. The now retired French Navy F-8Ns also were common visitors to USN CVs. It depends on what's going on and where the boats are.

Can anyone tell me what kind of night operations the PLAAF and PLAN do? I know from friends who were with a NATO/UN fleet that most of the small VSTOL CVs ceased flight ops at dusk.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

Raven Outstanding reply.I could have not said it better myself. Training is of the utmost importance in Naval Avation. And the money? Well Uncle Sam has plenty.

Other Carrier Nations do get help from the US Navy

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Very true. The French have their catapults on the Charles De Gualle worked on my shipyard workers from Northrup-Grumman in Newport News VA. Check it out.

I know from friends who were with a NATO/UN fleet that most of the small VSTOL CVs ceased flight ops at dusk.

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Very true. Even some years ago when onboard the USS America and operating with the Argentine carrier soon after it was dark they stopped flight operations...What? No night ops?? Unheard of in the USN. The USN operates ..24/7... 365. Period.

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they probably have a kilo's sig, but not a yuans or songs.

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No the USN does not have the acoustic signature for the Song class. But trust me the USN is working on that. Yuan I'm not sure of.

a remote control ming is not impossible, all you need to do is steer it, not fore it or submerge it or anything complicated.

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MIGleader I'm sure it could be done but are you aware that there many obstcales underwater that need to be navigated? I'm sure the technology exist to remote control a sub. But it won't be as easy as some may think.

Re: What will the 1st PLAN Carrier Battle Group (CBG) look like?

can we go back to chinese carrier discussion now?