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Chish

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Not doing it for fun. Its simply less profitable in the short run to do basic research. But very profitable in the long run to master core tech. It's too bad most companies in China only think short term.
Chinese think long term including the government, companies and parents. Chinese would sacrifice their present for future generations, that is why they always save and plane for the future. Surely company CEO would know where the profits are and planed accordingly. It too simplicity to suggest that chinese companies only think of short term benefits.
 

ericlfh

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Exactly correct, nobody knows what is the development status of China's IC plan in spite of so many optimistic and pessimitic view from experts here. The correct steps being taken by CCP by pouring in investment into it aside, the real challenge is in China IC workers to come up with its own IC solution.. This situation is like every country in US book is ganging up to bring China down via its weakest point. I never look down on China resourcefulness and its will, like the saying 'when the going gets tough, the tough gets going'.

Personally, knowing very little about Chip technology in China, the best outcome can only be seen in two years from now. In this two years we will see what China has to offer. So likely Huawei will be going into 'hibernate mode' w.r. to its telecom business, and come out with a bang in time. China telecom industry has to depend on smaller companys like Xiaomi, Oppo etc at the moment.
 

hullopilllw

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Huawei has already failed and so has China.
"Fail" as in? Huawei's core business is in 5G RAN. Their market share is hovering at 32% currently, addin ZTE and China alone control half supply. And what is it about China?

China is being cut out of the global market and global supply chains controlled by the US.
How is China being cut out when it is the biggest trader on Earth? Global Supply Chains controlled by US, which is why US is begging firms to back to US with no avail for the past 4 years?(10 if you realise Obama's Made in America campaign in 2011)

Every country is at the mercy of the US. Not only China.
What mercy as you talking about? EU gave US the middle finger and continue on with Nord Stream II. Russia is in talk for Power of Siberia II with China. Turk Stream continuing despite US sanctions. Asian nations are reducing T-Bond holdings to the point that US has to offer Bond/Cash swap to prevent a further drop in T-Bond values, at the same time while reducing their exposure to USD as a trade settlement currency.

Tell me, was the Chinese economy booming during the autarky era of Mao Zedong in the 1970s? Was China rich then? Was China booming during the Qing Dynasty in the 1800s?
Yes, actually China realised their mastery of basic industrialization during the 70s, and actual growth is decent too if you bother to check.
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China should seek better relations with the US and the world.
How? By complying with the US demands to move up the value chain? Sacrificing their sovereignty integrity by giving up tw island? By cutting out HK, Tibet, Xinjiang to be independent and democratic nations? Or by following the path of Soviet Union's dissolvement and privatising national assets overnight?

When China seeks better relations, as under Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao, it will succeed tremendously. It will become the world's largest economy and the world's greatest power.
Erm no, the MNCs go to China attracted by her huge bases of skilled, affordable labour. Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao did not compromise on anything, neither will Xi. On the other hand, now that China is on the verge to be the largest consumer market, the urgency to seek better relation rest on others. Some like Australia, do not realise this and thus stuck in a dilemma.

But when China turns it back on the world and starts picking a fight with everyone, especially the US, it will fail, as it did during the isolation era of Qing Dynasty and the Cultural Revolution.
China pick a fight with everyone in the ra of "Qing Dynasty and the Cultural Revolution" ?
But back then there are no dongfeng missiles.


The lesson of hundreds of years of Chinese modern history has never wavered for a moment.

Isolation and fighting is failure. But reform and opening up is success.
Is this meant for US and India?

No matter what path China follows this iron law will never change. Currently under Xi Jinping China is returning to the path of Mao Zedong and the Qing Dynasty, isolation and fighting. Therefore, China will enter a new era of failure and stagnation.
US is the one closing off itself from the world as China takes the center stage.

If China changes course again, its fortunes will change.
The course is right, what is there to change?
 

ansy1968

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Huawei " the news of my death has been greatly exaggerated"

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Huawei HiSilicon launches HiSpark development kit, supports HarmonyOS 2.0
2020-09-17 17:09:59 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei HiSilicon and partners have created the HiSpark series of development kits, including hardware development boards, SDK packages, reference engineering, documentation.

Its name implies spreading the spark of smart devices to developers to welcome the era of artificial intelligence.

The first HiSpark development kits will cover the field of perceptual computing, intelligent connectivity, support for multiple operating systems, and full support for HarmonyOS 2.0.
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HiSpark development boards are based on the HiSilicon chip development platform and include the HiSpark WiFi IoT, HiSpark AI Camera, and HiSpark IPC DIY smart hardware development kits.


They are jointly developed by HopeRun Information Technology and HiSilicon technical team.
The core motherboard of the kit is a WiFi module of HiSilicon chip, which is a highly integrated 2.4GHz WiFi SoC with dimensions of 2cm*5cm.

It integrates IEEE 802.11b/g/n baseband and RF (Radio Frequency) circuitry and supports OpenHarmony/Huawei LiteOS and third-party components.
It also supports inductive distribution, mesh self-organization and more.


Peripherals supported by the HiSpark WiFi IoT kit include a 0.96-inch OLED display, NFC board, environmental monitoring board (integrated humidity sensor, combustible gas sensor, buzzer), traffic light board, dazzling light board, robot board and more.


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HiSpark WiFi IoT supports HarmonyOS, LiteOS multiple operating systems.

The Smart Trolley development kit based on HiSpark WiFi IoT features sensorless distribution, HarmonyOS FAA pull up, tracking, obstacle avoidance and more.
It supports AP function and remote control via cloud platform, which can be widely used in intelligent logistics, unmanned vehicles and service robots.
 

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Chinese think long term including the government, companies and parents. Chinese would sacrifice their present for future generations, that is why they always save and plane for the future. Surely company CEO would know where the profits are and planed accordingly. It too simplicity to suggest that chinese companies only think of short term benefits.

I don't know if that applies to business culture. Obviously my take may not be correct, but when it comes to business, a lot of Chinese companies seem EXTREMELY short sighted. Just look at all the food safety scandals, if any of these companies actually cared about building a long term successful business then adding pesticides to preserve their products is not a good strategy.

Yes some companies do have vision. Ie.Huawei. However one company alone cannot do everything. You need an ecosystem.

I'm not exactly sure how to describe it, but I truly think that the culture of greed and "worshipping wealfh" is part of the reason in why people make bad decision.

Look obviously culture is only one aspect, as no one foresaw that a tech war was going to happen either.

Lastly, China needs to work on its geopolitical strategies. Economic-wise China is second to none. But geopolitically China is really making some bad moves. China needs a few linchpin on the US that are credible and actionable, short of war or rare earth.
 

machupicu

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Personally, knowing very little about Chip technology in China, the best outcome can only be seen in two years from now. In this two years we will see what China has to offer. So likely Huawei will be going into 'hibernate mode' w.r. to its telecom business, and come out with a bang in time. China telecom industry has to depend on smaller companys like Xiaomi, Oppo etc at the moment.
Huawei will be very busy in the next few years:
a. 5G, 2021-2025, each year has to build 500K base stations in China, and likely 750K overseas (assuming it will get 1b ppl out of 3b,)

b. 6G research has started, right
c. Smartphone: mid-level to continue,high-end small pause
d. Ev cars
e. IoT
f.others: cloud,AI etc

So many in of them, wouldn't be surprised their employees will reach 220-250k before 2024
 

machupicu

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WTAN and others have mentioned Huawei is building a semi line/lines, for sure it wants to be just like Samsung, with its own fabs.

China graduates 30K semicon professionals each year, so it's not difficult to bet that each year Huawei will hire thousands of experienced and new graduates in semicon field. HiSilicon is said to have 10,000 ppl (fabless) so for the fabs, maybe double of that??

Huawei will keep going and going...
 

latenlazy

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I don't know if that applies to business culture. Obviously my take may not be correct, but when it comes to business, a lot of Chinese companies seem EXTREMELY short sighted. Just look at all the food safety scandals, if any of these companies actually cared about building a long term successful business then adding pesticides to preserve their products is not a good strategy.

Yes some companies do have vision. Ie.Huawei. However one company alone cannot do everything. You need an ecosystem.

I'm not exactly sure how to describe it, but I truly think that the culture of greed and "worshipping wealfh" is part of the reason in why people make bad decision.

Look obviously culture is only one aspect, as no one foresaw that a tech war was going to happen either.

Lastly, China needs to work on its geopolitical strategies. Economic-wise China is second to none. But geopolitically China is really making some bad moves. China needs a few linchpin on the US that are credible and actionable, short of war or rare earth.
Not all Chinese businesses are the same. The sort of characteristics you’re attributing to Chinese businesses has generally not been true of Chinese tech, because the fundamentals of tech competition make it so that if you don’t have a good grasp of fundamentals you will not succeed. This is the difference between and SMIC and an HSMC. One is a real business that’s shown it knows how to build up its capabilities from the ground up while the other is vaporware vanity project that couldn’t even get off the ground.
 
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WTAN

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The 02 Special Project had a requirement for General Semiconductor Equipment as well. The requirement was for General Semiconductor Equipment of 28nm - 14nm to be developed. 28nm Equipment is ready and 14nm Equipment will be ready next year when the 02 Project is completed.

The only way forward for Huawei is to build its own FAB to make its own Chips. Once Huawei reaches 14nm, it will be able to supply SOC Chips for its own 5G Base Stations and Mid Range Hand Sets. Its reserves of Chips should give it enough time to set up its own FABs.

There was a report this week that a top rank Huawei Official made a claim that Huawei will make its own 10nm Chips within 3 years.
 

ansy1968

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The 02 Special Project had a requirement for General Semiconductor Equipment as well. The requirement was for General Semiconductor Equipment of 28nm - 14nm to be developed. 28nm Equipment is ready and 14nm Equipment will be ready next year when the 02 Project is completed.

The only way forward for Huawei is to build its own FAB to make its own Chips. Once Huawei reaches 14nm, it will be able to supply SOC Chips for its own 5G Base Stations and Mid Range Hand Sets. Its reserves of Chips should give it enough time to set up its own FABs.

There was a report this week that a top rank Huawei Official made a claim that Huawei will make its own 10nm Chips within 3 years.
Hi WTAN

10nm in 3 years? will that officially kill their smartphone business? I thought maybe at least 7nm within that time date?
 
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