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ericlfh

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I guess we will believe it when the time comes, and I hold a Huawei handset 100% made by Chinese technology.
 

Aperture05

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The 02 Special Project had a requirement for General Semiconductor Equipment as well. The requirement was for General Semiconductor Equipment of 28nm - 14nm to be developed. 28nm Equipment is ready and 14nm Equipment will be ready next year when the 02 Project is completed.

The only way forward for Huawei is to build its own FAB to make its own Chips. Once Huawei reaches 14nm, it will be able to supply SOC Chips for its own 5G Base Stations and Mid Range Hand Sets. Its reserves of Chips should give it enough time to set up its own FABs.

There was a report this week that a top rank Huawei Official made a claim that Huawei will make its own 10nm Chips within 3 years.
Huawei is allegedly working with SMEE to set up a 45nm fab. As to the 10nm claims, maybe with SMIC? But 3 years to build a fab then develop their own 10nm class node is beyond implausible.
 

Aperture05

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Hi WTAN

10nm in 3 years? will that officially kill their smartphone business? I thought maybe at least 7nm within that time date?

10nm in 3 years is very implausible, as even assuming that 10nm class litho machines by SMEE are out, you'd still need to build the fab, and research the node. Considering the gap between trial production and volume production is about a year, and litho machines from SMEE takes another year, you're expecting them to build a fab then develop a node with no prior experience.

And their smartphone business probably won't die, as demonstrated by ZTE/Nubia's current popularity
 

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A friendly reminder that not all tech is semi-conductor, stealth fighter, 5G, or quantum computing.

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The Chinese engine developer releases the world's first commercialized diesel engine with a brake thermal efficiency above 50 percent

JINAN, SHANDONG, China, Sept. 16, 2020 /PRNewswire/ --
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, a leader in China's internal combustion engine industry, has officially launched the first commercialized diesel engine in the world to have a brake thermal efficiency above 50 percent.


During a launch ceremony Sept. 16, 2020, both TÜV SÜD, a world authoritative testing organization; and the China Automotive Technology and Research Center Co., Ltd. – the country's national internal combustion engine testing organization – awarded Weichai certificates for brake thermal efficiency of 50.26 percent. The engine was jointly unveiled by Ling Wen, vice governor of Shandong Province and academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering; and Tan Xuguang, chairman of Shandong Heavy Industry Group and Weichai Group.
An internal combustion engine's brake thermal efficiency is a measure of its fuel efficiency. Engines with higher brake thermal efficiency rates have lower fuel consumption, higher energy savings, and reduced emissions. Since the development of the first diesel engine in 1897, the engine's brake thermal efficiency of the diesel engine increased from 26 to 46 percent, where it remained until now. Although brake thermal efficiency evolved over the past 100-plus years, global development statistics and increasingly stringent emission regulations made improvement more difficult in recent years.
To solve this technical problem, Weichai drew on its more than 70 years of experience in the internal combustion engine industry as well as its technical expertise in manufacturing, researching, and developing diesel technology. For the past 10 years, the company invested $4.4 billion USD in R&D, which includes recruiting more than 200 doctors, more than 300 global high-end talents, and more than 3,000 graduate students to its staff.
Weichai's R&D and production base in Weifang, China, has annual manufacturing and sales of more than 1 million units. The center has achieved technological breakthroughs in commercial vehicle powertrains, CVT powertrains and hydraulic powertrains, complementing China's core technical shortcomings in these areas and promoting the country's diesel engine industry chain to continue to move forward.
Technological Breakthroughs
Since 2015, Weichai's special technical research team has conducted a large number of simulations and bench tests to improve the efficiency of its engines, eventually leading to this historic breakthrough. Weichai credits the high brake thermal efficiency rate to five proprietary technologies: advanced fields synergy combustion technology, harmonious design technology, exhaust energy distribution technology, subzone lubrication technology, and WISE control technology. Together, these technologies help achieve high-efficiency combustion with low heat transfer, high PFP with high reliability, low friction loss, low emission pollutants, intelligent control, etc., attaining a brake thermal efficiency exceeding 50 percent.
Weichai's advanced fields synergy combustion technology optimizes the design of the air passage, fuel injection, combustion chamber profile and other systems to make the relationship between the velocity field and concentration field in the combustion chamber more harmonious, increasing combustion speed by 30 percent. Harmonious design technology enables the diesel engine body's to withstand high PFP, which greatly limits combustion improvement, by about 60 percent. The technology also strengthens the engine's overall structure.
The company's exhaust energy distribution technology, developed in response to the increased difficulty of emission control caused by improved combustion, pioneered reconstruction of the exhaust system design. The technology adapts to the demand for exhaust gas recirculation while ensuring the efficiency of turbines, meeting regulations and standards, and achieving a 1 percent increase in brake thermal efficiency.
Subzone lubrication technology, developed based on the different characteristics of the friction pairs of the system, uses several friction reduction technologies to reduce the overall friction by 20 percent. WISE control technology takes advantage of Weichai's self-developed ECU by creatively developing a series of more precise control predictive models, making every part of the diesel engine more efficient.
Making History
Weichai's achievement is a historical moment in the development of internal combustion engines. Several domestic and international institutions and experts including Bosch Group, AVL List GmbH, FEV, SAE, China Machinery Industry Federation, China Internal Combustion Engine Industry Association, and China-SAE congratulated Weichai on this breakthrough and praised the company for setting a new benchmark for the brake thermal efficiency of global diesel engines and making new contributions to the energy-saving and emission reduction capabilities of internal combustion engines.
Weichai not only launched the world's first base diesel engine with a brake thermal efficiency of over 50 percent, but also easily met China VI/Euro VI emission requirements. The engine is the first of its kind ready for mass production and commercialization. According to industry experts, increasing brake thermal efficiency from 46 to 50 percent reduces diesel consumption by 8 percent and carbon dioxide emissions by 8 percent. If all 7 million heavy-duty diesel engines now in use in China were replaced with diesel engines with 50 percent brake thermal efficiency, 33.32 million tons of fuel and reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 104.95 million tons can be saved annually - a significant contribution to solving energy shortages and global warming problems.
The launch of the engine solidifies China's position as a world leader in heavy-duty diesel engine technology. Weichai has received strong support from Bosch Group and other global suppliers and R&D consulting institutions in the development of this program. Weichai's future plans include partnering with more global companies to move toward a goal of 55 percent thermal efficiency, Chairman Tan Xuguang announced during the Sept. 16 ceremony.
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ericlfh

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Hi WTAN

10nm in 3 years? will that officially kill their smartphone business? I thought maybe at least 7nm within that time date?

I am sure they will stay relevant by focussing on telecom products and mid range phones. This kind of setback is inevitable but hopefully they emerge stronger from it. Until then other Chinese handphone makers have to carry China's flag in mobile industry. In time Xiaomi and Oppo will face embargo too, but by then hopefully China's chip technology has already take off.
 

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First the US, then Taiwan, then South Korea and Japan, now even Chinese chipmakers are teaming up against Huawei. Behold, the power of the United States.

Any one can posted fake news on their website but there is no proof whatsoever the news does not quote any industrial heavy weight or reliable sources It is done digitimes staff
 

WTAN

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Hi WTAN

10nm in 3 years? will that officially kill their smartphone business? I thought maybe at least 7nm within that time date?
The Huawei Official was probably being very conservative when he said that.
But it showed that Huawei has already started its FAB business and they have a roadmap for Chip production.

I think he really meant that Huawei will be making 5/7nm Chips by then. The 28nm Lithograph will be out next year and they will have the opportunity to start seeing what they can do with it.

Alot of the major Semiconductor Equipment makers like Naura, Amec and Huahuai Zero have already finished developing their 14nm equipment and have started R&D in 5/7nm equipment.

The Equipment development was slow previously as they didnt expect the US to cut off supply. It should be relatively quick from now on.
 

WTAN

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Huawei is allegedly working with SMEE to set up a 45nm fab. As to the 10nm claims, maybe with SMIC? But 3 years to build a fab then develop their own 10nm class node is beyond implausible.
Its very likely that Huawei would team up with SMIC on the 7nm Chips. Maybe a joint venture or license production of SMIC N+1/2 Process.
It is very likely that SMIC will be sanctioned in the future, so SMIC really has nothing to lose.
It will gain a big customer in Huawei.
 

Vichysoy

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The Huawei Official was probably being very conservative when he said that.
But it showed that Huawei has already started its FAB business and they have a roadmap for Chip production.

I think he really meant that Huawei will be making 5/7nm Chips by then. The 28nm Lithograph will be out next year and they will have the opportunity to start seeing what they can do with it.

Alot of the major Semiconductor Equipment makers like Naura, Amec and Huahuai Zero have already finished developing their 14nm equipment and have started R&D in 5/7nm equipment.

The Equipment development was slow previously as they didnt expect the US to cut off supply. It should be relatively quick from now on.
You have any source ? Or anything you say are fake ?
 

ansy1968

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The Huawei Official was probably being very conservative when he said that.
But it showed that Huawei has already started its FAB business and they have a roadmap for Chip production.

I think he really meant that Huawei will be making 5/7nm Chips by then. The 28nm Lithograph will be out next year and they will have the opportunity to start seeing what they can do with it.

Alot of the major Semiconductor Equipment makers like Naura, Amec and Huahuai Zero have already finished developing their 14nm equipment and have started R&D in 5/7nm equipment.

The Equipment development was slow previously as they didnt expect the US to cut off supply. It should be relatively quick from now on.
Hi WTAN,

The Huawei Official was probably being very conservative when he said that.

Thanks for the info, I'm surprise cause what I know from your previous post and also from A-SET is that Huawei is part of the 02 special project that develop the 7nm EDA tool. The main purpose of that project is develop equipment for the eventual production of 7nm chips within 2022-2023 timeframe. I had no illusion knowing the huge hurdle Huawei alone had to endure. The important thing is they had a road map. Aside from SMIC ,Huahong and now Huawei, are there any new Chinese entrant in FAB business?
 
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