New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

ansy1968

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In future, EVs will talk to each other. This is advantage of Huawei.
bro this article proves our point, all of them will be connected by Harmony OS and Huawei is in the forefront!

Geely will release an electric car based on the Huawei HarmonyOS platform​

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| 04.08.2022, 11:54

Geely will release an electric car based on the Huawei HarmonyOS platform


The Chinese car company Geely is preparing for the release of its new branded electric car.

What we know​

The manufacturer told about it in the social network Weibo. There are no release dates or details about the car yet. We only know that the novelty will boast of a platform Huawei HarmonyOS.
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Recall that the platform HarmonyOS for cars allows you to make the car smart. A car with such a system is able to synchronize with a smartphone and quickly exchange information. For example, maps, weather, music, contacts, etc. In addition, the system HarmonyOS in the car can automatically change the interface theme depending on the lighting in the car, and much more.
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superdog

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bro this article proves our point, all of them will be connected by Harmony OS and Huawei is in the forefront!

Geely will release an electric car based on the Huawei HarmonyOS platform​

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Geely will release an electric car based on the Huawei HarmonyOS platform


The Chinese car company Geely is preparing for the release of its new branded electric car.

What we know​

The manufacturer told about it in the social network Weibo. There are no release dates or details about the car yet. We only know that the novelty will boast of a platform Huawei HarmonyOS.
Geely%20car%20with%20Huawei%20HarmonyOS.jpg

Recall that the platform HarmonyOS for cars allows you to make the car smart. A car with such a system is able to synchronize with a smartphone and quickly exchange information. For example, maps, weather, music, contacts, etc. In addition, the system HarmonyOS in the car can automatically change the interface theme depending on the lighting in the car, and much more.
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It's not a new brand, Geometry is an existing EV sub-brand of Geely, sitting below Zeeker and less well known.

1st-tier brands like BYD and Geely show some reservation in adopting Huawei, but they're testing the water. BYD will also be using Harmony OS on their new flagship premium brand, but not on their current best-selling series. BYD insisted on developing their own system, cooperated with Momenta and Geely recently bought Meizu for similar purpose. Software platform is a core component of future EVs and understandably these car manufacturers don't want to let Huawei have complete control of it.
 

ansy1968

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It's not a new brand, Geometry is an existing EV sub-brand of Geely, sitting below Zeeker and less well known.

1st-tier brands like BYD and Geely show some reservation in adopting Huawei, but they're testing the water. BYD will also be using Harmony OS on their new flagship premium brand, but not on their current best-selling series. BYD insisted on developing their own system, cooperated with Momenta and Geely recently bought Meizu for similar purpose. Software platform is a core component of future EVs and understandably these car manufacturers don't want to let Huawei have complete control of it.
Hello bro long time no hear, glad you join the discussion, I concur BUT the point I'm making is with Harmony OS they may have a collaboration regarding with IOT.
 

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BYD SeaGull is going to be a big deal in the A00 segment. This is the perfect kind of car for a lot of ASEAN markets. It's higher quality than Wuling Mini, but probably 50% more expensive also. But BYD's safety profile is so much better than Wuling Mini
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As a followup, Xiaomi is making serious investments into autonomous driving. I'd be interesting in seeing what path they take here. A lot of close partnership between Xiaomi and BYD. I don't see Xiaomi wanting to get into manufacturing, so this is likely a case of Xiaomi putting their software on BYD's OS.
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More on BYD's move into Thailand.
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bro this article proves our point, all of them will be connected by Harmony OS and Huawei is in the forefront!

Geely will release an electric car based on the Huawei HarmonyOS platform​

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| 04.08.2022, 11:54


The Chinese car company Geely is preparing for the release of its new branded electric car.

What we know​

The manufacturer told about it in the social network Weibo. There are no release dates or details about the car yet. We only know that the novelty will boast of a platform Huawei HarmonyOS.

Recall that the platform HarmonyOS for cars allows you to make the car smart. A car with such a system is able to synchronize with a smartphone and quickly exchange information. For example, maps, weather, music, contacts, etc. In addition, the system HarmonyOS in the car can automatically change the interface theme depending on the lighting in the car, and much more.
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Yes, as I said, most automakers don't have the ability to transition from ICE to EV and then to AV. That's why they are going with Huawei or Baidu.

But if you have any ambition to export your car to Europe or North America, you are not going to build it with Huawei OS.

And going back to your last post, Huawei is getting into EV/AV, because cars is the next frontier for digitization. We started off with computer and then moved to phones and then pads. Now, cars will get digitized. Eventually houses will be digitized.

Fundamentally, there are a couple of challenges here for Huawei:
1) lower end cars like Wuling mini or even BYD Dolphin simply don't need and can't afford autonomous feature. Those are the type of cars you'd most likely export to ASEAN countries
2) High end cars need an auto OS, but only China and Western markets can support high end cars. And Huawei can be banned any moment from the latter
3) In domestic market, none of the Western brands with use Huawei technology. NIO/Xpeng/BYD aren't going to use Huawei OS. If BYD ramps up to over 40% of the domestic EV market, the available market to Huawei would be just 25% of the domestic market.

So, you can get as many of these smaller Chinese EV automakers onto Harmony as possible, but that's not a huge market.
CATL 7.34b euro battery plant will be built in Hungary.
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This is quite big. Rumor out there for a while now that both CATL and BYD are building battery plants in Hungary. Funny how the most pro business and pro China government in EU is getting all of the Chinese investment right?
1st-tier brands like BYD and Geely show some reservation in adopting Huawei, but they're testing the water. BYD will also be using Harmony OS on their new flagship premium brand, but not on their current best-selling series. BYD insisted on developing their own system, cooperated with Momenta and Geely recently bought Meizu for similar purpose. Software platform is a core component of future EVs and understandably these car manufacturers don't want to let Huawei have complete control of it.
Let me state this again. BYD will not be using Harmony OS on any of their cars in medium to long term. BYD is a very aggressive company. It seeks to be the Apple and Toyota. it will no let any core system be supplied by another company. It could work with Momenta, Baidu or Xiaomi on the software layer, but everything has to be using the API provided by BYD. I wouldn't consider Geely a first tier brand right now. BYD is first tier. Everyone else is a separate tier.
 

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BYD SeaGull is going to be a big deal in the A00 segment. This is the perfect kind of car for a lot of ASEAN markets. It's higher quality than Wuling Mini, but probably 50% more expensive also. But BYD's safety profile is so much better than Wuling Mini
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As a followup, Xiaomi is making serious investments into autonomous driving. I'd be interesting in seeing what path they take here. A lot of close partnership between Xiaomi and BYD. I don't see Xiaomi wanting to get into manufacturing, so this is likely a case of Xiaomi putting their software on BYD's OS.
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More on BYD's move into Thailand.
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Yes, as I said, most automakers don't have the ability to transition from ICE to EV and then to AV. That's why they are going with Huawei or Baidu.

But if you have any ambition to export your car to Europe or North America, you are not going to build it with Huawei OS.

And going back to your last post, Huawei is getting into EV/AV, because cars is the next frontier for digitization. We started off with computer and then moved to phones and then pads. Now, cars will get digitized. Eventually houses will be digitized.

Fundamentally, there are a couple of challenges here for Huawei:
1) lower end cars like Wuling mini or even BYD Dolphin simply don't need and can't afford autonomous feature. Those are the type of cars you'd most likely export to ASEAN countries
2) High end cars need an auto OS, but only China and Western markets can support high end cars. And Huawei can be banned any moment from the latter
3) In domestic market, none of the Western brands with use Huawei technology. NIO/Xpeng/BYD aren't going to use Huawei OS. If BYD ramps up to over 40% of the domestic EV market, the available market to Huawei would be just 25% of the domestic market.

So, you can get as many of these smaller Chinese EV automakers onto Harmony as possible, but that's not a huge market.

This is quite big. Rumor out there for a while now that both CATL and BYD are building battery plants in Hungary. Funny how the most pro business and pro China government in EU is getting all of the Chinese investment right?

Let me state this again. BYD will not be using Harmony OS on any of their cars in medium to long term. BYD is a very aggressive company. It seeks to be the Apple and Toyota. it will no let any core system be supplied by another company. It could work with Momenta, Baidu or Xiaomi on the software layer, but everything has to be using the API provided by BYD. I wouldn't consider Geely a first tier brand right now. BYD is first tier. Everyone else is a separate tier.
Geely and Changan are partner with Huawei. These are not small potatoes.
 

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When Ray Dalio and Warren Buffett both buy NIO....

“BYD, which is partly owned by the American Warren Buffett”

Now if NIO becomes successful, they're going to say: NIO, the EV company that is partly owned by the American billionaires Ray Dalio and Warren Buffett. LOL!
 
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It's not a new brand, Geometry is an existing EV sub-brand of Geely, sitting below Zeeker and less well known.

1st-tier brands like BYD and Geely show some reservation in adopting Huawei, but they're testing the water. BYD will also be using Harmony OS on their new flagship premium brand, but not on their current best-selling series. BYD insisted on developing their own system, cooperated with Momenta and Geely recently bought Meizu for similar purpose. Software platform is a core component of future EVs and understandably these car manufacturers don't want to let Huawei have complete control of it.
Are they using harmony OS as in the Huawei flavor or are they talking about open harmony the flavorless version, the one where every car or mobile brand can customize to create their own flavor.

Open harmony should mean enough distinction between car OS but the car APP ecosystem can be shared.
 
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