New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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Who could have imagined even one year ago that China's NEVs would be competitive with ICEs from legacy auto makers someday?

China's best selling luxury sedans in July:

China's top selling sedans and SUVs in July:

China's July wholesales of passenger vehicles by manufacturer:

Norwegian drivers will be able to use over 300,000 charging stations in Europe for their XPeng EVs.

XPeng partners with the charging company Plugsurfing in Norway​

The EV maker
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and the charging network company Plugsurfing announced Wednesday a partnership to provide Norwegian drivers access to over 300,000 charging stations in Europe.
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XPeng's G9 is designed for the international market. The 800V charging system can give it a 200 km (120 mile) range with 5 minutes of charging.

XPeng starts pre-sale of flagship SUV G9, unveils interior details​

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Paywalled, but you can see that Great Wall's EV brands are entering the European markets.

Great Wall partners with Emil Frey to distribute Wey, Ora brands across Europe​

Europe's largest car dealer group was picked by one of China's largest automakers ahead of launching in the region.

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It's a big deal for BYD to supply Tesla Berlin, since now Tesla's factories outside of China will also be using Chinese batteries. The goal here for Chinese battery makers is to get leading non-Chinese EVs to also rely on Chinese supply chain.
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Alright, more from Chinese social media regarding BYD's autonomous driving efforts.

June 16, BYD laid out their strategy in this field.

1) Electrical, autonomous and IOT (web connection) are are going to come together in one with car as a super intelligence moving object. Need to improve technology in 4 areas

1) Becoming intelligent is based on becoming electrical. Not only the motor system, but whole car needs to be more electronically controlled
Car accidents happen in 0.6 second and mechanical control reaction is 0.2 second. But a electrical control system can react in 0.02 s which gives the safety control system more reaction time. Need to move toward more electrical controlled components

2) Becoming intelligent requires flexible electriconic structure.
As auto electronics make quicker advancement, there will be great demand in software and more ECU (MCUs?). Need to develop highly safe next generation electronic control sturcture.

3) Becoming intelligent requires wide band communication with outside world and inside car.
More data passing through the car and with outside world requires higher bandwidth, lower latency and more reliable communication technology.

4) Becoming Intelligent requires having enough processing power
Improved sensors, more data and wide bandwidth requires more processing power

Part 2) of BYD strategy
First, BYD has full control of battery and electric motor technology. Next part is conquering the core technology of intelligent driving.
1) Continued research into smart driving technology and car usage.
They've partnered with Baidu and other internet companies in this technology. They've also partnered with American company Nuro (which designs smart unmanned delivery trucks)

2) L3 driving
L2+ driving technology has seen significant improvement. However, L3 intelligent driving would really drive up cost. BYD is chosing to go with improving safety portion of intelligent driving tackling other areas.

3) Car's mechanical control system will becoming increasingly more electrical and get more tested.
The core is the wheelbase, frame and other systems becoming more electrical.

4) Guarantee wheelbase have improved reliability and safety. Speed up process on other higher level intelligent driving technology.
BYD has made a lot of progress in this area with Seal as can be seen in iTAC technology. Many new safety feature coming soon.

5) Concentrated electrical controlled structure, increased ECU.
electrical controled structure is the foundation of car becoming intelligent.

6) Improve the underlying software architecture, better software/hardware integration. This will allow cars to achieve higher level of intelligent driving through OTAs.

7) High speed communication databus
- Car itself has high speed intraweb and 5G communication technology within the car, with cloud server and such. Still researching on improved central web inside the car to fufill the requirement of communication inside the car and V2X communication with outside the car and 5G communication/data transfer

8) BYD will look for reasonable processing power at affordable prices.

9) BYD will look to open its an API to its car and allow apps to be built on top by other companies.

10) Will work with domestic and international partners

Par 3) BYD's thought toward future car development
1) First to beat ICE cars
2) Go from technology demonstration to cusstomer experience, increase technology adoption
3) Be ready for faster transformation
4) Domestic to international - developing standardized system and control the whole supply chain.

It's interesting to me that BYD has spent so much time discussing the foundational layer. It appears to me that they are trying to build this complete operating system in its future cars and then allow partners to interact with these electrical platform. This allows them to be the Android/iPhone of cars, so that it can control the process even if it might not be able to compete with a software company like Baidu in terms of auto driving software. It can tell Baidu, I have a full driving API that better than what you are able to build for your car. If you want to test out your software and reach mass market, you have to write to my API.

Imo, BYD is doing something well here. It didn't try to promise FSD early on. It waited until technology is ready before opening up about its intelligent driving. It didn't try to hire a bunch of software developers like XPeng to tackle smart driving before the car itself is fully electrical and can support the data transfer and computer power needed for smart driving. It's waiting for the cost of these things to come down so it can mass market this technology.
 

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Leijun is on a roll.
I'd be curious how they get this deployed. I think they will work with BYD. The car in question should be a BYD Hand that they ordered here
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A while back, BYD was said to supply batteries to Xiaomi and NIO
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It is possible that BYD and Xiaomi will be partners here in putting smart driving into new BYD cars.
 

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Thanks to @latenlazy for pointing me to this article.
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entirely explains why the current Huawei plan is so masterful and nobody in the West is paying any attention to it.

Huawei is basically offering:
auto OS, smart driving and electric motor to any Chinese automaker incapable of developing their own.

BYD is basically offering:
auto OS, electric motor and batteries to other automakers + compatibility with auto driving developers like Baidu, Xiaomi, Didi, Nuro and possibly themselves.

So the two are going to be huge competitors in battling out the auto OS and electric motor and plugging in auto driving companies.

Of course, BYD is also fully funding their own manufacturing, construction of plants and shipping. So, they are taking vertical integration to a whole new degree. If you just read how they built their industrial park in Shenzhen, completely 0 emission using all of their own products.
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Keep in mind that competitors may not want to rely on BYD for electric motor and auto os technology. so, you might get another battery situation in the move to AV. Huawei becoming the dominant provider of AV solution and BYD ends up just supplying its own vehicles + one or two other. We will see. I'm not sure that's the best thing for China. Huawei is geopolitically tainted, whereas BYD is the cute unknown behemoth that wants to fight climate change.

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according to documents leaked to teslamag.de on Thursday. As usual with Tesla, the approval was issued by the Dutch authority RDW, in this case on July 1, 2022. In the documents, the new Model Y is referred to as Type 005 and internally as variant Y7CR. The capacity of its BYD battery is estimated at 55 kilowatt hours, the range at 440 kilometers.
Yeah, so BYD's LFP option for Tesla is already approved and likely will start going into Model Ys. I believe they are probably supply at least 10 GWh a year.
 

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Thanks to @latenlazy for pointing me to this article.
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entirely explains why the current Huawei plan is so masterful and nobody in the West is paying any attention to it.

Huawei is basically offering:
auto OS, smart driving and electric motor to any Chinese automaker incapable of developing their own.

BYD is basically offering:
auto OS, electric motor and batteries to other automakers + compatibility with auto driving developers like Baidu, Xiaomi, Didi, Nuro and possibly themselves.

So the two are going to be huge competitors in battling out the auto OS and electric motor and plugging in auto driving companies.
@tphuang Sir Again I respectfully disagree, they compliment each other, Huawei is under sanction while BYD are not. Huawei with Harmony OS will work with domestic company, that is there goal to maximized their 5G tech application, they need BYD to spread the tech especially abroad. EV is not their core business BUT a good revenue generator as they try to diversify to survived. I bet you when they solved their chip problem , they will work with BYD to use their smartphone to interface with their EV since they will be using Harmony OS.
 

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@tphuang Sir Again I respectfully disagree, they compliment each other, Huawei is under sanction while BYD are not. Huawei with Harmony OS will work with domestic company, that is there goal to maximized their 5G tech application, they need BYD to spread the tech especially abroad. EV is not their core business BUT a good revenue generator as they try to diversify to survived. I bet you when they solved their chip problem , they will work with BYD to use their smartphone to interface with their EV since they will be using Harmony OS.
In future, EVs will talk to each other. This is advantage of Huawei.
 
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