New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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621 miles? What's this leasable battery pack thing?

Chief Executive William Li said Nio’s new battery technology will give the ET7 a drive range of over 1,000 kilometres (621 miles) between charges.


The starting price will be 378,000 yuan ($58,378) for the car without the battery pack, one of the most expensive EV components, which can then be leased from the company. With the battery pack, the starting price is 448,000 yuan.
 

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621 miles? What's this leasable battery pack thing?
Battery swap technology. Instead of recharging, you just swap the batteries at a battery swap station. Faster than refueling at a gas station.

So you can buy the car without the battery, since the battery is very expensive. As for the battery, you lease it. Since you don't own the battery, you swap it at a battery swap station when you are low on charge - the battery doesn't belong to you any way.
 

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What you guys think about an upgrade program for cars where they can upgrade u to the next gen batteries/computer/AI modularly.
 

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A slew of news from 2021 Nio Day:
During the NIO Day event, on January 09, 2021, NIO unveiled its fourth electric car model, the NIO ET7:

Batteries, range and power​

Let's start with the basics. Initially, the NIO ET7 is offered with two battery options - 70 kWh and 100 kWh for a NEDC range of respectively: more than 500 km (311 miles) and more than 700 km (435 miles).

In the future (late 2022), there will be a 150 kWh battery version that should be able to go more than 1,000 km (620 miles) NEDC on a single charge.

The car has received a dual-motor all-wheel-drive powertrain with a peak system output of 480 kW and 850 Nm of torque. To improve efficiency, NIO is using a permanent magnet in the front and an induction motor in the rear, as well as SiC power electronics. This setup is strong enough to achieve acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.9 seconds.

Interior and equipment​

The ET7 is expected to be a very comfortable car for long-distance travel - kind of a second living room. It has smart air suspension, heating, ventilation and massage as standard on all seats. It comes with a glass roof, a very modern and advanced dashboard with HUD as standard, 10.2" instrument cluster and 12.8" center display, as well as 23 speakers (as standard).

NIO has introduced reportedly the world's first UWB digital key (capable of localization at centimeter-level precision), frameless windows and soft close as standard. When the driver approaches the car, the flush door handle will pop out, doors will unlatch and slightly open. Doors can also close automatically.
Availability and prices
The NIO ET7 can be pre-ordered now, but customer deliveries are expected no earlier than in the first quarter of 2022. The prices (before any subsidies) of the ET7 are as follows:
  • ET7 (70 kWh)
    448,000 yuan ($69,185)
    BaaS: 378,000 yuan ($58,375) plus 980 yuan ($151) per month
  • ET7 (100 kWh)
    506,000 yuan ($78,142)
    BaaS: 378,000 yuan ($58,375) plus 1,480 yuan ($229) per month
  • ET7 Premier edition (100 kWh)
    526,000 yuan ($81,230)
    BaaS: 398,000 yuan ($61,463) plus 1,480 yuan ($229) per month
* BaaS - Battery as a Service

Interestingly, NIO offers substantial discounts on the ET7 for its current customers.

NIO ET7 specs:
  • 70 kWh battery - more than 500 km (311 miles) of NEDC range
  • 100 kWh battery - more than 700 km (435 miles) of NEDC range
  • 150 kWh battery option in the future will get more than 1,000 km (620 miles) of NEDC range
  • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.9 seconds
  • dual motor all-wheel drive
  • system output of 480 kW and 850 Nm of torque
    front motor (permanent magnet): 180 kW
    rear motor (induction motor): 300 kW
    NIO 2nd generation powertrain with SiC power electronics
  • 100-0 km/h braking in 33.5 m, with Brembo brakes (standard)
  • Cd of 0.23
  • Dimensions: Length 5.098 m (200.7 in), Width 1.987 m (78.2 in), Height 1.505 m (59.3 in) and Wheelbase of 3.060 m (120.5 in)
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supercat

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More news from Nio Day 2021:

NIO Moves Closer To Fully Autonomous Driving Capability With New ET7 Sedan​

NIO has built up the NAD full-stack autonomous driving capability including perception algorithms, localization, control strategy, as well as platform software. NIO Aquila features 33 high-performance sensing units, including 11 8MP high-resolution cameras, 1 ultra-long-range high-resolution LiDAR, 5 millimeter-wave radars, 12 ultrasonic sensors, 2 high-precision positioning units, V2X and ADMS.

Aquila can generate 8GB of data per second and NIO Adam features four NVIDIA Orin supercomputers on a chip (SoCs) with a total computing power capable of 1,016 Tera Operations Per Second (TOPS).

For comparison, Tesla's autopilot uses eight 1.2MP cameras in the Model S and the ET7 will have eleven 8MP cameras. As for computing power, Tesla's employs two FDS chips with 144 TOPS compared to NIO's four NVIDIA chips capable of performing 1,016 TOPS. Additionally, NAP will also add the use of a LiDAR system, which Tesla does not use.

Safety:
NIO claims the ET7 is designed to meet both China and Euro NCAP five-star safety standards.
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What you guys think about an upgrade program for cars where they can upgrade u to the next gen batteries/computer/AI modularly.
I think they can be upgraded, just like avionics on airplanes . The question is cost/effectiveness. Current batteries can also be upgraded to solid state batteries.

News about Solid state battery on Nio day 2021:

NIO Announces 150 kWh Solid-State Batteries For 2022​

The new batteries will achieve an ultra-high energy density of 360 Wh/kg.​

NIO has officially announced today a groundbreaking upcoming battery option for its electric cars - 150 kWh battery packs, consisting of ultra-high energy density solid-state cells.

It's not yet available, but the Chinese company is confident that it will start customer deliveries of those new 150 kWh packs from the fourth quarter of 2022 - that's almost two years from now.

NIO first started with a 70 kWh battery in 2018, then introduced 84 kWh in 2019 and most recently 100 kWh versions in late 2020. A cool thing is that those batteries were upgradable so the old cars could be equipped with higher capacity batteries.

As we understand, the new 150 kWh battery packs also will be swappable and upgradable for every NIO model - "All NIO users can opt to upgrade to 150 kWh." The first-generation 2018 NIO ES8 with a new 150 kWh will be able to get an NEDC range of more than 730 km (454 miles).

Once the 150 kWh becomes available, the new, more efficient NIO models will get even more range:
  • NIO ES8 - 850 km (528 miles) NEDC
  • NIO ES6 - 900 km (559 miles) NEDC
  • NIO EC6 - 910 km (566 miles) NEDC

The biggest news is that the all-new NIO ET7, with a 150 kWh battery, will be able to go more than 1,000 km (620 miles) NEDC. However, initially in Q1 2022 it will be available with 70 kWh and 100 kWh packs only.

Energy density of 360 Wh/kg

NIO says that the new solid-state batteries (150 kWh) have an ultra-high energy density of 360 Wh/kg (probably on the cell level) and that it's 50% more than in the case of the 100 kWh pack.

The 84 kWh pack in 2019 was at 180 Wh/kg (on the pack level). We guess that the 100 kWh probably was well above 200 Wh/kg on the pack level.

The new batteries are promised to offer "good battery life" and "higher charging efficiency," but details were not provided.

Those new batteries combine several technologies, including Nickel-Ultrarich Cathode and Si/C Composite Anode:

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We believe that the battery cells will be supplied by CATL.

Overall, it all sounds great, although we must be aware that this tech still requires two years before it will be introduced in the premium electric cars in Q4 2022.

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Tam

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CNBC has an information meaty video on Nio. A must watch if you are a potential investor or buyer.

 
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