New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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CMP

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Where do Huawei cars sit on the quality scale vis a vis all these other Chinese competitors? Assuming we're only comparing flagship vs flagship or mid-range vs mid-range.
 
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Mcsweeney

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supersnoop said:
There will inevitably some tariffs/price floors, there are still enough auto plants in Ontario that he can't fully commit. However, at the same time there is a total lack of affordable EVs in Canada and the majority of people no longer support the Biden/USA diktat of 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs.

I am hoping that there will be a BYD Shark in my future so I can be a Chinese-North American redneck.
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supersnoop

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Michael90 said:
That’s complicated, it’s like asking if we can consider range Rover an Indian brand or British brand still.
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Indian management, British quality manufacturing…

On the serious side, Tata and JLR share basically zero engineering or manufacturing assets. Tata selling cars that basically cost a tenth of the price of the average JLR.

Volvo and Geely are basically all common platforms and powertrains shared between brands, even Proton.
 
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broadsword

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Tam said:


I'm aligned with the idea that Chery, makers of Jaecoo and Omoda, are currently tops. Recent the Jaecoo J6 bagged the list of Israel's top seller, ICE and EV alike.
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Testimonies from the commenters are reassuring. Chinese brands were given this one chance, and they did not disappoint.
 
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ougoah

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Michael90 said:
That’s complicated, it’s like asking if we can consider range Rover an Indian brand or British brand still.
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Close to 100% of Volvos since 2015 have been Chinese made and engineered. Volvo's Swedish operations was limited to design since then. Design teams for Volvo is still mostly Swedish but the engineering and manufacturing (tooling and machinery for production) are all Chinese for 10 years.

Tata and India does not and cannot engineer Land Rover or Jaguar cars. Both Land Rover and Jaguar are close to 100% designed, engineered and manufactured in the UK.

Yes none of this consider third party suppliers in which case even South African built Mercedes have tonnes of Chinese sourced parts. Just counting OEM components, India barely supplies anything to JLR.

So while Volvo is owned by Geely like JLR is owned by Tata, that's where the similarities stop. India is still incapable of designing, engineering and manufacturing those cars whereas Volvo has been engineered and manufactured almost entirely in China for a decade.

So objectively speaking, if God or some impartial superintelligence were asked this question, they would say Volvo is a Chinese car with past Swedish founding and JLR are British founded, designed, engineered and produced cars owned by an Indian company.

Geely can produce... well Geely cars which are Volvo level and down, Zeekr which is Volvo level, Lynk & Co which is also Volvo level and Polestar (another Swedish origin brand now completely engineered and manufactured in China with Chinese machinery for the last 10 years) which is higher than Volvo level.

Tata has not produced a car even approaching Geely's economical car level.
 
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