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pmc

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Which you are still trying to insist these projects is similar to building a city from the ground up with absolutely zero infrastructure. It is incredible how you think a city that requires thousands of miles of sewers tunnels and water pipes which then needs to be connected to thousands of residential and commercial buildings in the middle of nowhere can be easily done within a few years.
The scale of infrastructure they are building. New Cities will be logically created. There will be new Vostok highway to Pacific Coast. That alone will create new cities on the way. Similar Railway Line up to Arctic connecting Siberia in the South. These logistic arteries cannot exist in isolation. Russia built newer cities in much more mountainous before.
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Why are cities needed in the Arctic? The key functions of cities and towns in the Arctic have been identified and a system of support settlements in the Russian Arctic has been developed

The massive amount of material required alone is going to require a huge expansion on existing logistical infrastructure. The highway project you cited is projected to take +5 years before completion. How do you expect a city to be built within 10 years in the middle of nowhere if the new roads itself is going to take years. This is all before you even consider ecological surveys before building because 40% of western Siberia is wetlands, bogs, and swamps.
Not every place will developed same speed. Some in Arctic faster. some in Pacific Coast and Sakhalin island. This Sea of Japan is included in part of tourism development

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I already know what you are thinking and the obvious answer the Russians will give is no. They are not going to be building cities to import millions of non-Russians specifically arabs to inhabit those lands.
The Gulf Royals are for Soft Power. Just like you see in Kazan Forum when from every corner of Muslim of world they were trying to find a muslim Intellectual and people who can staff the booths. I have even read that they employed moderate beauty girls in event so not proactive. The Royals really felt at home . even this Bahrain King (A Royal without Soft Power but they still light up Moscow for him).

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manqiangrexue

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No, there is a middle ground between neutral relationship and treating Russia as a brother and giving it whatever support it needs. Help should be given when either 2) Russia offers something of comparable value or 3) it serves to China's advantage.
3 is much much much more important that 2. 2 is offering no help; it is to be an unbiased merchant. In this situation, it serves China's advantage for Russia to keep the West mired and bleeding in Ukraine.
A good example would be the current conflict in Ukraine. Is it better to 1) provide Russia with a level of support that allows it to exact attrition and damage to NATO over a prolonged period of time while still maintaining trade relations with the west or 2) provide Russia with an overwhelming amount of aid that results in quick Russian victory with minimal expenditure of NATO resources and China being sanctioned by the West?
While it is true that 1 is better than 2, the degree of victory in the end also matters. Russia can mire the West down while remaining dominant and always keeping Ukraine on the defensive without fully crushing it until the end or it can also mire the West down while fighting Ukraine to a standstill, both sides trading blows. In the first situation, the conflict is more likely to conclude with a long term solution that is much more favorable (for example, the complete integration of Ukraine into Russia), than the second situation which is likely to conclude with Ukraine split in 2 with 1 in NATO and the other piece taken by Russia. The latter situation would further allow the West to create a cesspool of CIA operations in Western Ukraine with an endless supply of native Russian speakers to undermine Russia and China's relationships and plans with Russia in the future.

So while it may be a bit much to provide full all-out support (because China can do so much for Russia; we can even go in and win the conflict for them), we can certainly give them a lot more than what we are giving to achieve a better long-term outcome while still keeping the West mired in conflict.
You do realize the reason China lost all of those lands were due to the USSR? And if Stalin had his way, China would have lost Xinjiang as well.
That's finished. That's history and one can never reverse the past. The only choice we have now is if we want this past to poison our future to the West's advantage or if we want to move past it to form the alliances that best suit us today and tomorrow.
 
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sndef888

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Europe smartphone sales by brand in Q1

Oppo (including Oneplus) actually fell out of top 5 to be replaced by realme and Honor, which is pretty surprising to me.

Unfortunate that since the death of Huawei, no Chinese OEM has been able to challenge Samsung and Apple in premium segment.
Xiaomi is still clinging on to market share due to cheap lineups. Same goes for realme and Honor
 
3 is much much much more important that 2. 2 is offering no help; it is to be an unbiased merchant. In this situation, it serves China's advantage for Russia to keep the West mired and bleeding in Ukraine.

Sino-Russian trade since the outbreak of the conflict has been a huge win-win for both sides. What is regarded as, "deflation," by some may just be really well be the impacts of the huge amounts of energy/resources being imported from Russia in the past few years. China has gained an enormous amount of value from trade with Russia.

While it is true that 1 is better than 2, the degree of victory in the end also matters. Russia can mire the West down while remaining dominant and always keeping Ukraine on the defensive without fully crushing it until the end or it can also mire the West down while fighting Ukraine to a standstill, both sides trading blows. In the first situation, the conflict is more likely to conclude with a long term solution that is much more favorable (for example, the complete integration of Ukraine into Russia), than the second situation which is likely to conclude with Ukraine split in 2 with 1 in NATO and the other piece taken by Russia. The latter situation would further allow the West to create a cesspool of CIA operations in Western Ukraine with an endless supply of native Russian speakers to undermine Russia and China's relationships and plans with Russia in the future.

So while it may be a bit much to provide full all-out support (because China can do so much for Russia; we can even go in and win the conflict for them), we can certainly give them a lot more than what we are giving to achieve a better long-term outcome while still keeping the West mired in conflict.

One more thing to consider is that China should also minimize the chance of the West attempting reproachment with Russia, similar to Sino-US reproachment during the Nixon administration. In that context, the ideal conclusion to the Ukraine war should result in the issue of Ukraine continuing to be a major point of contention between Russia and the West. Complete Russian victory would not be to China's best interests. The ideal outcome would be a frozen conflict, in which Russia and the West continue to stare down each other across the future Russian-Ukrainian border.

That's finished. That's history and one can never reverse the past. The only choice we have now is if we want this past to poison our future to the West's advantage or if we want to move past it to form the alliances that best suit us today and tomorrow.

I fully support Sino-Russian cooperation and partnership. I just don't believe in "unconditional brotherhood," and I'm not a fan of "Russia simping."
 

manqiangrexue

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Sino-Russian trade since the outbreak of the conflict has been a huge win-win for both sides. What is regarded as, "deflation," by some may just be really well be the impacts of the huge amounts of energy/resources being imported from Russia in the past few years. China has gained an enormous amount of value from trade with Russia.
Definitely true; I never said to give them everything and take nothing in return, especially when they have so many great things to offer at will.
One more thing to consider is that China should also minimize the chance of the West attempting reproachment with Russia, similar to Sino-US reproachment during the Nixon administration. In that context, the ideal conclusion to the Ukraine war should result in the issue of Ukraine continuing to be a major point of contention between Russia and the West. Complete Russian victory would not be to China's best interests. The ideal outcome would be a frozen conflict, in which Russia and the West continue to stare down each other across the future Russian-Ukrainian border.
That is a great point. I never thought about that. We do need to prevent reproachment between Russia and the US if some American fat hick-ass KKK Grand Dragon Wizard becomes president (because we all know that America's not getting any more normal people for presidents for a very long time) and offers Russia an all-out white power brother bond against the yellow men of the East. However, my point that the existence of a Western Ukraine being used as a perfect hub for CIA infiltration into Russia and into China's communications with Russia still stands. Both to be weighed against each other.

Good exchange of ideas.
I fully support Sino-Russian cooperation and partnership. I just don't believe in "unconditional brotherhood," and I'm not a fan of "Russia simping."
It's not unconditional; it's conditioned on them fighting our mutual enemies. And a little nudge in the right place at the right time can sometimes make a huge difference so I'm not fixated on always getting my trade's value back at me, although in this circumstance, it seems that Russia's and China's advantages and needs seem to compliment so well that we are getting our money's worth despite that not being the first priority.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Democracy Perception Index 2024
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Lots of interesting survey results.


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First of all, I like how lightly colored the ROC is on the second chart; shows we still got some brothers over there worth not killing.

Secondly, is Iran out of their mother f'ing minds? They are unsavable if this shit is true. What hope is there when one cannot even differentiate friend from foe while currently under attack?? Never thought I'd see a real world rendition of a Pokemon becoming confused and hitting itself in its confusion.
 
That is a great point. I never thought about that. We need to prevent reproachment between Russia and the US if some American fat hick-ass KKK member becomes president (because we all know that America's not getting any more normal people for presidents for a very long time) and offers Russia an all-out white power brother bond against the yellow men of the East. However, my point that the existence of a Western Ukraine being used as a perfect hub for CIA infiltration into Russia and into China's communications with Russia still stands. Both to be weighed against each other.

Good exchange of ideas.

And another way to try to manage the risk of Russian rapprochement with the West is to, besides state-to-state relations, try to build more positive people-to-people relations and make soft power inroads into Russia. As some have stated, many individual Russians still feel closer cultural ties to Europe and some may view Chinese with suspicion. Russians still consume large amounts of Western media and pop culture. You want Russians to be reminded of Napoleon, the Crimean War, WW1, and WW2, not Genghis Khan.

Secondly, is Iran out of their mother f'ing minds? They are unsavable if this shit is true. What hope is there when one cannot even differentiate friend from foe while currently under attack??

Maybe Covid? They got hit pretty hard early on. Or perhaps closer Sino-Saudi ties? Also looks like Iranians have extremely negative view towards their own government, so good Sino-Iranian relations may end up being a negative rather than a positive. India and Vietnam are pleasant surprises.
 
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manqiangrexue

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And another way to try to manage the risk of Russian rapprochement with the West is to, besides state-to-state relations, try to build more positive people-to-people relations and make soft power inroads into Russia. As some have stated, many individual Russians still feel closer cultural ties to Europe and some may view Chinese with suspicion. Russians still consume large amounts of Western media and pop culture. You want Russians to be reminded of Napoleon, the Crimean War, WW1, and WW2, not Genghis Khan.
Honestly, when 2 people look similar, they are bound to drift closer to each other, which is why Russia being on China's side against the West is the result of a mountain load of Western (mostly American) blunders. Without active conflict and contention, Russia is likely to drift closer to Europeans because of their common heritage and Japan and Korea are likely to drift closer to China. In both cases, the US provides the active conflict and contention. This is also why I very much accepted your point that Ukraine has to remain a problem to prevent Russo-Western rapprochement. Never underestimate the power of genetics and how similar looks bring people together.
Maybe Covid? They got hit pretty hard early on. Or perhaps closer Sino-Saudi ties? India and Vietnam are pleasant surprises.
Maybe retardation.
 

coolgod

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It's weird how SDF seems to discuss Russian Manchuria far more than any other lands the Qing lost.

Why don't people complain about Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan? Mongolia has far more land mass than Outer Manchuria. The former Qing lands in Central Asia have far more population.
Technically Qing lost those lands due to Imperial Russia and the Soviets also. Those lands are also harder to pacify and objectively less valuable, also China doesn't want to absorb more foreign population.

Outer Manchuria and Outer Mongolia can integrate with the rest of China relatively easily.
 
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