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Temstar said:

I think a good analogy is China's relationship with North Korea during KJI's rule vs now under KJU. Back in the days the relationship was at best disfunctional and at worst venomous with China calling North Korea out of control clowns and North Korea calling China revisionist and betraying the revolution.

It's a product of the times. USSR collapsed, China was opening up to the west and forming diplomatic relations with South Korea, it's reasonable to see how North Korea saw it as being hung out to dry by all their allies.

With passage of time to reflect and change of leadership and hard work both side eventually realised the worst they assumed about each other wasn't actually grounded in facts and today that relationship has recovered and flourishing. There's no reason the same can't happen between Russia and China considering the darkest periods in that relationship occured much further back.

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Actually, it's quite impressive that despite Han conquest of Korea, Tang conquest of Goguryeo, Yuan conquest of Goryeo, Qing domination of Joseon, and millennia of vassalage under various dynasties that North Korea continues to be an treaty ally of China. Hey, if North Korea can ignore millennials of Chinese domination and still be friends (even allies), then I am sure Russia and China can move behind the past history into good if not great relationship. Heck, Japan got nuked by US and they are best buddies, UK was the former colonial master of US and they are best buddies. It also makes me think India-China animosity is quite interesting since its a vestige of British colonial legacy, not rooted in any tangible historical animosity.

FriedButter said:

In the generational scale of time, I think the Russians are going eastward.

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This is confirmed by the high level exchanges after the Putin-Xi meet n greet. More people to people exchanges, more interlinkages.

siegecrossbow said:

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Corrupt third world monarchy tries covering up major health scandal… President Xi, please send J-20 multirole stealth fighter to liberate these oppressed people.

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Can the anglos do anything other than piracy and racketeering?

ansy1968 said:

Well bro like you in my younger years I hate being Chinese, being ostracized when growing up. But now I feel like a beauty queen.. Lol Those years help build my character as a person and a shinning example of what it takes to be Chinese.

My qoute of the day "to err is human to be Chinese is devine"... lol.

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Same, the effect I've had is a disgust at the anglo led western world order that imposes a racial apartheid caste system on the world. As Malcolm X said 'who taught you to hate yourself?'

Phead128 said:

I used to be one of the most anti-Russia types because of Qing unequal treaties. Now I am Russian-tolerant, because I realize to recover Manchuria may take a nuclear exchange, the land is quite shitty and unfertile, and China isn't going to be a sick man of Asia anytime soon to be backstabbed by Russia (US is by far the biggest enemy), and future generations can recover Sea of Japan access in due time, the current struggle is with US now, not some hypothetical land recovery 200-1000 years in future. So beggars can't be choosers, anti-US partners is needed now as US is by far the biggest threat now, and Russia is too small to threaten China (unless China collapse again, unlikely for foreseeable future). That is to say, China won't forget unequal treaties, but is not stupid to dwell on history at cost of geopolitical advantage, esp. since the border is largely "settled" as far as PRC concern and claims withdrawn.

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How about giving up Outer Manchuria in order to gain the territories of the Five Eyes? If the war is won, i'd want to Chinese culture and civilisation to dominate the continents and territories of the five eyes as compensation for crimes perpetrated against Chinese, to say nothing of Japan. Let the Pacific be a Chinese Mare Nostrum.

azn_cyniq said:

I'm sorry to hear that, brother. I'm glad you overcame that. I know this is silly, but I subconsciously respect a nation more if its women are beautiful. To me, Chinese women are gorgeous, so I've never hated being Chinese haha

It is both a blessing and a curse to be the children of the world's preeminent rising power. Personally, I enjoy it a lot. No movie, drama, book, song, painting, symphony, etc. moves me as much as the rise of China. That's why I enjoy reading SDF.

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Thanks that why I don't believe China will invade Taiwan, if ever there is a conflict, the Chinese will bring the fight to the enemy, the rationale is very simple why destroy something you owned and give them the satisfaction.

pmc said:

I have looked at Russia railway, Arctic and North Sea projects All within 10 years. in that Kazan forum basically every one want acceleration of projects.

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Which you are still trying to insist these projects is similar to building a city from the ground up with absolutely zero infrastructure. It is incredible how you think a city that requires thousands of miles of sewers tunnels and water pipes which then needs to be connected to thousands of residential and commercial buildings in the middle of nowhere can be easily done within a few years.

The massive amount of material required alone is going to require a huge expansion on existing logistical infrastructure. The highway project you cited is projected to take +5 years before completion. How do you expect a city to be built within 10 years in the middle of nowhere if the new roads itself is going to take years. This is all before you even consider ecological surveys before building because 40% of western Siberia is wetlands, bogs, and swamps.

pmc said:

there is only one direction of Russia demographic trajectory unless what Putin said Russian women produce 8 kids and Russian borders do not end anywhere. only this can restore balance. There will be no shortage of people to reside those areas as you know my favorite topic.

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I already know what you are thinking and the obvious answer the Russians will give is no. They are not going to be building cities to import millions of non-Russians specifically arabs to inhabit those lands.

FairAndUnbiased said:

If USSR won the Cold War what's the worst that can happen? Couldn't be worse than what the US did.

Fact is, far from being aggressive, USSR was extremely timid and only took 100% guaranteed wins. Stalin was terrified of supporting even Mao, scared of supporting Kim il sung, only went all in on Viet Minh after Mao already supported them, etc.

Gorbachev was already talking to Deng in the late 1980s. They would have been forced to support China because a shithole China on their borders exporting crime, illegal immigrants, etc would've been a huge burden.

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Geography and economics. China would be in a far worse geopolitical situation, and the Soviet economic model would offer much less opportunities for rapid economic development. As for illegal immigrants, the Soviet solution would just be minefields and labor camps.

Phead128 said:

I used to be one of the most anti-Russia types because of Qing unequal treaties. Now I am Russian-tolerant, because I realize to recover Manchuria may take a nuclear exchange, the land is quite shitty and unfertile, and China isn't going to be a sick man of Asia anytime soon to be backstabbed by Russia (US is by far the biggest enemy), and future generations can recover Sea of Japan access in due time, the current struggle is with US now, not some hypothetical land recovery 200-1000 years in future. So beggars can't be choosers, anti-US partners is needed now as US is by far the biggest threat now, and Russia is too small to threaten China (unless China collapse again, unlikely for foreseeable future). That is to say, China won't forget unequal treaties, but is not stupid to dwell on history at cost of geopolitical advantage, esp. since the border is largely "settled" as far as PRC concern and claims withdrawn.

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History shouldn't deter China from entering into a mutually beneficial partnership with Russia. The Russian Federation has never acted against China's interests, only USSR and Imperial Russia did. The original discussion was around, "Russia simping." You can be partners without someone without simping over them.

FriedButter said:

I already know what you are thinking and the obvious answer the Russians will give is no. They are not going to be building cities to import millions of non-Russians specifically arabs to inhabit those lands.

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But are you underestimating the influence of Arabic soft power and the power of the Arabic system and their vision for New Europe?

Bob Smith said:

It's in China's best interest for this war to go on indefinitely as it weakens both Russia and the West while keeping America from focusing solely on containing China. Why is it in China's interest to tip the scale when the war has been in stalemate for the last 2 years? Russia will never lose this war as they have over 5,000 nuclear weapons so Putin won't be overthrown. Why do so many Chinese people refer to Russia as a brother when no Russians refer to Chinese as the same? Look at where their elites parked their money before the war and their society looks to for cultural enrichment, it certainly isn't China. Every Russian sees themselves as ethnically and culturally European and they're only using China as a partner of last resort because they've been shunned by the West due to their need for territorial expansion.

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When I was a little boy, my father told me that whenever I am confused on what to do, I should find my direction by asking myself 2 questions: 1. What does my enemy want to see me do? 2. What do those who love me want to see me do? Do 2 and do the opposite of 1. (Number 2 is for my life since my parents, wife, children love me, but in international diplomacy, it is irrelevent since there is no love.)

In this case, while the disagreement between history and current events render it unclear if Russia is friend or foe or just a business partner to China, it is clear that the US and the West are China's enemies. In this case, both would love to see disunity between China and Russia. They want China to remember everything that Russia ever did to offend us in our history and for us to join the anti-Russian Western cohort... or at least to offer Russia no help. So the opposite of that would be to set history aside and fully embrace Russia as a brother, giving it whatever support it needs. Do what your enemies fear and loathe for you to do.

manqiangrexue said:

When I was a little boy, my father told me that whenever I am confused on what to do, I should find my direction by asking myself 2 questions: 1. What does my enemy want to see me do? 2. What do those who love me want to see me do? Do 2 and do the opposite of 1. (Number 2 is for my life since my parents, wife, children love me, but in international diplomacy, it is irrelevent since there is no love.)

In this case, while the disagreement between history and current events render it unclear if Russia is friend or foe or just a business partner to China, it is clear that the US and the West are China's enemies. In this case, both would love to see disunity between China and Russia. They want China to remember everything that Russia ever did to offend us in our history and for us to join the anti-Russian Western cohort... or at least offer Russia no help. So the opposite of that would be to set history aside and fully embrace Russia as a brother and give it whatever support it needs. Do what your enemies fear and loathe for you to do.

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Yup this is a nobrainer, US is the existential enemy of China... 1000x more dangerous than Russia will ever be or have ever been

I don't understand the negativity towards China's largest source of oil and food in a war. Russia and Central Asia singlehandedly solve China's food problem in any USA blockade.

It's weird how SDF seems to discuss Russian Manchuria far more than any other lands the Qing lost.

Why don't people complain about Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan? Mongolia has far more land mass than Outer Manchuria. The former Qing lands in Central Asia have far more population.

9dashline said:

Yup this is a nobrainer, US is the existential enemy of China... 1000x more dangerous than Russia will ever be or have ever been

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I'm all pro Russia but to be honest, this is giving the US too much credit. Russia is a drunken hard-ass with a physicist's brain and 10,000 nukes; they can be more dangerous than anyone if you push them. And that's another reason we're so glad they are our friends and not a Western ally, which they can become if they are defeated and CIA-revolutioned.

manqiangrexue said:

In this case, while history renders it unclear if Russia is friend or foe or just a business partner, it is clear that the US and the West are China's enemies. In this case, both would love to see disunity between China and Russia. They want China to remember everything that Russia ever did to offend us in our history and for us to join the anti-Russian Western cohort... or at least offer Russia no help. So the opposite of that would be to set history aside and fully embrace Russia as a brother and give it whatever support it needs.

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No, there is a middle ground between neutral relationship and treating Russia as a brother and giving it whatever support it needs. Help should be given when either 1) Russia offers something of comparable value or 2) it serves to China's advantage.

A good example would be the current conflict in Ukraine. Is it better to 1) provide Russia with a level of support that allows it to exact attrition and damage to NATO over a prolonged period of time while still maintaining trade relations with the west or 2) provide Russia with an overwhelming amount of aid that results in quick Russian victory with minimal expenditure of NATO resources and China being sanctioned by the West?

Look at what happened with some other nations China treated as an unconditional brother: North Korea and Vietnam. The only true "brother," nation that has stood by China since the founding of the PRC has been Pakistan. You can be partners and even allies without "unconditional brotherhood."

Enestori said:

don't understand the negativity towards China's largest source of oil and food in a war. Russia and Central Asia singlehandedly solve China's food problem in any USA blockade.

It's weird how SDF seems to discuss Russian Manchuria far more than any other lands the Qing lost.

Why don't people complain about Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan? Mongolia has far more land mass than Outer Manchuria. The former Qing lands in Central Asia have far more population.

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You do realize the reason China lost all of those lands were due to the USSR? And if Stalin had his way, China would have lost Xinjiang as well.