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azn_cyniq

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Bob Smith said:
Couldn't care less what a politician like Putin says in public while on an official state visit to China when he's desperate for support from the only economic lifeline he has left. I've browsed Russian geopolitics subs/social media in the past and they've never viewed China/Chinese people favorably before the war and I'm wondering why there's so many Russian simps in Chinese boards. Again, Russia is only using China as a partner of last resort because they've been shunned by the West due to their war of territorial expansion. China should view this relationship as a quid pro quo just like how Russians view it. If Russia can get back with the West while keeping Ukrainian territory even if it means enmity with China, I'm sure they would do it in a heartbeat.
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It's good to be cautious, but we should not forget that things can change.

As a kid, I didn't like China because I was impressionable and the media told me that China is my enemy because I am Taiwanese. As I got older, I started to form my own opinions. After getting to know China better, I basically became a Chinese ultranationalist. I know many, many Taiwanese people around my age who used to dislike China but now admire it. I am not saying that this will happen to the China-Russia relationship, but I believe it may happen. This is purely anecdotal, but my cousin is married to a Russian man and our families get along really well. I don't think that it's impossible for China and Russia to become friends because Russian people are European and Chinese people are East Asian.

I have some mainland Chinese friends whose parents dislike Russia because they grew up fearing the USSR. However, most young people like Russia these days. There are many Eastern European people, including Russians, on apps like Douyin and Xiaohongshu where they can see that China is pretty cool place. There is an increasing number of Chinese-Russian people in China, especially in the north and in big cities like Shanghai.

Russia is a superpower, so I agree that Chinese people should be aware that if Russia becomes hostile to China, that would be disastrous. Nonetheless, I am hopeful that China and Russia can become real friends.
 
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Not just that. Russia was top 3 perpetrator during the century of humiliation. People who were in the northeastern 3 provinces won't easily forget Soviet "liberation," at the end of WW2.
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I agree, but resisting the US-led West is ten thousand times more important than those historical grievances. If the West manages to topple the CPC, China would lose far, far more than some land in the northeast. Chinese people would become slaves of the Western financial system. I am not calling Russia an angel. I am just saying that China needs Russia to resist the US and I hope they can become friends in the process.
 
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azn_cyniq said:
I agree, but resisting the US-led West is ten thousand times more important than those historical grievances. If the West manages to topple the CPC, China would lose far, far more than some land in the northeast. Chinese people would become slaves of the Western financial system. I am not calling Russia an angel. I am just saying that China needs Russia to resist the US and I hope they can become friends in the process.
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Yes, but only because currently the West is the dominant civilization in the world and China is the up and coming dominant power. But be under no illusion, if the USSR had won the Cold War China would be in a much more difficult position than it is today, as would a whole lot of other nations. Hopefully when China becomes the preeminent world power it will establish a system relatively more benign, more equitable, and less exploitative than the US dominated system today.
 
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Yes, but only because currently the West is the dominant civilization in the world and China is the up and coming dominant power. But be under no illusion, if the USSR had won the Cold War China would be in a much more difficult position than it is today, as would a whole lot of other nations. Hopefully when China becomes the preeminent world power it will establish a system relatively more benign, more equitable, and less exploitative than the US dominated system today.
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If USSR won the Cold War what's the worst that can happen? Couldn't be worse than what the US did.

Fact is, far from being aggressive, USSR was extremely timid and only took 100% guaranteed wins. Stalin was terrified of supporting even Mao, scared of supporting Kim il sung, only went all in on Viet Minh after Mao already supported them, etc.

Gorbachev was already talking to Deng in the late 1980s. They would have been forced to support China because a shithole China on their borders exporting crime, illegal immigrants, etc would've been a huge burden.
 
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azn_cyniq said:
It's good to be cautious, but we should not forget that things can change.

As a kid, I didn't like China because I was impressionable and the media told me that China is my enemy because I am Taiwanese. As I got older, I started to form my own opinions. After getting to know China better, I basically became a Chinese ultranationalist. I know many, many Taiwanese people around my age who used to dislike China but now admire it. I am not saying that this will happen to the China-Russia relationship, but I believe it may happen. This is purely anecdotal, but my cousin is married to a Russian man and our families get along really well. I don't think that it's impossible for China and Russia to become friends because Russian people are European and Chinese people are East Asian.

I have some mainland Chinese friends whose parents dislike Russia because they grew up fearing the USSR. However, most young people like Russia these days. There are many Eastern European people, including Russians, on apps like Douyin and Xiaohongshu where they can see that China is pretty cool place. There is an increasing number of Chinese-Russian people in China, especially in the north and in big cities like Shanghai.

Russia is a superpower, so I agree that Chinese people should be aware that if Russia becomes hostile to China, that would be disastrous. Nonetheless, I am hopeful that China and Russia can become real friends.
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Well bro like you in my younger years I hate being Chinese, being ostracized when growing up. But now I feel like a beauty queen.. Lol Those years help build my character as a person and a shinning example of what it takes to be Chinese.

My qoute of the day "to err is human to be Chinese is devine"... lol.
 
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Bob Smith said:
Couldn't care less what a politician like Putin says in public while on an official state visit to China when he's desperate for support from the only economic lifeline he has left. I've browsed Russian geopolitics subs/social media in the past and they've never viewed China/Chinese people favorably before the war and I'm wondering why there's so many Russian simps in Chinese boards. Again, Russia is only using China as a partner of last resort because they've been shunned by the West due to their war of territorial expansion. China should view this relationship as a quid pro quo just like how Russians view it. If Russia can get back with the West while keeping Ukrainian territory even if it means enmity with China, I'm sure they would do it in a heartbeat.
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I used to be one of the most anti-Russia types because of Qing unequal treaties. Now I am Russian-tolerant, because I realize to recover Manchuria may take a nuclear exchange, the land is quite shitty and unfertile, and China isn't going to be a sick man of Asia anytime soon to be backstabbed by Russia (US is by far the biggest enemy), and future generations can recover Sea of Japan access in due time, the current struggle is with US now, not some hypothetical land recovery 200-1000 years in future. So beggars can't be choosers, anti-US partners is needed now as US is by far the biggest threat now, and Russia is too small to threaten China (unless China collapse again, unlikely for foreseeable future). That is to say, China won't forget unequal treaties, but is not stupid to dwell on history at cost of geopolitical advantage, esp. since the border is largely "settled" as far as PRC concern and claims withdrawn.
 
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FriedButter said:
Transforming Siberia in the event it thaws out will still take generations. The level of construction isn’t simply building roads or managing housing renovation. This is a huge mega project that requires significant state investments and massive planning. We are talking about a place where no one lives in and has next to zero infrastructure in place. Everything will need to be built from scratch. Roads, Medical Facilities, Power Infrastructure, Water Infrastructure, Sewers, Housing, Railroads, Public Services, etc. Then you will need to find people to actually live there.
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I have looked at Russia railway, Arctic and North Sea projects All within 10 years. in that Kazan forum basically every one want acceleration of projects. there is only one direction of Russia demographic trajectory unless what Putin said Russian women produce 8 kids and Russian borders do not end anywhere. only this can restore balance. There will be no shortage of people to reside those areas as you know my favorite topic.

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Russian logistics companies are looking for ways to replace the overloaded Jebel Ali port in the UAE to deliver container cargo to the Russian Federation. More than 80% of cargo traffic to Russia passes through the largest port of the Emirates, according to a PEC review prepared jointly with Prime Shipping Agency, STS Logistics, Lantrans, Neco Line Asia, Pak Shaheen (Pvt) Ltd. Due to congestion, since the beginning of 2024, transit times on the route have more than doubled - to an average of 52 days.
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azn_cyniq said:
It's good to be cautious, but we should not forget that things can change.

As a kid, I didn't like China because I was impressionable and the media told me that China is my enemy because I am Taiwanese. As I got older, I started to form my own opinions. After getting to know China better, I basically became a Chinese ultranationalist. I know many, many Taiwanese people around my age who used to dislike China but now admire it. I am not saying that this will happen to the China-Russia relationship, but I believe it may happen. This is purely anecdotal, but my cousin is married to a Russian man and our families get along really well. I don't think that it's impossible for China and Russia to become friends because Russian people are European and Chinese people are East Asian.

I have some mainland Chinese friends whose parents dislike Russia because they grew up fearing the USSR. However, most young people like Russia these days. There are many Eastern European people, including Russians, on apps like Douyin and Xiaohongshu where they can see that China is pretty cool place. There is an increasing number of Chinese-Russian people in China, especially in the north and in big cities like Shanghai.

Russia is a superpower, so I agree that Chinese people should be aware that if Russia becomes hostile to China, that would be disastrous. Nonetheless, I am hopeful that China and Russia can become real friends.
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I think a good analogy is China's relationship with North Korea during KJI's rule vs now under KJU. Back in the days the relationship was at best disfunctional and at worst venomous with China calling North Korea out of control clowns and North Korea calling China revisionist and betraying the revolution.

It's a product of the times. USSR collapsed, China was opening up to the west and forming diplomatic relations with South Korea, it's reasonable to see how North Korea saw it as being hung out to dry by all their allies.

With passage of time to reflect and change of leadership and hard work both side eventually realised the worst they assumed about each other wasn't actually grounded in facts and today that relationship has recovered and flourishing. There's no reason the same can't happen between Russia and China considering the darkest periods in that relationship occured much further back.
 
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ansy1968 said:
Well bro like you in my younger years I hate being Chinese, being ostracized when growing up. But now I feel like a beauty queen.. Lol Those years help build my character as a person and a shinning example of what it takes to be Chinese.

My qoute of the day "to err is human to be Chinese is devine"... lol.
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I'm sorry to hear that, brother. I'm glad you overcame that. I know this is silly, but I subconsciously respect a nation more if its women are beautiful. To me, Chinese women are gorgeous, so I've never hated being Chinese haha

It is both a blessing and a curse to be the children of the world's preeminent rising power. Personally, I enjoy it a lot. No movie, drama, book, song, painting, symphony, etc. moves me as much as the rise of China. That's why I enjoy reading SDF.
 
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