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Brigadier
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But i like to think that in another alternate universe where the USSR never collapsed, that there is a nice CCCP member comrade Kaja Kallas who extols the virtues of world socialism.

based on her ideological fervor she'd be comrade Commissar LT. COL Kaja Kallas, 1st motor rifle division guards, stationed in unified DDR Germany, frequently reprimanded for ideologically charged speeches about the supremacy of the Warsaw Pact and disrupting the peace process between American Emperor Donald I and SecGen Putin.
 

Minm

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Yes. A weak and desperate Russia means cheaper raw materials for China. Tired of seeing naïve Chinese people trying to wish Russia well when they've taken the most territory from China in history. China should only look out for China.
A strong and economically successful Russia means a bigger market to trade with and more development of high tech. An ally like South Korea is harder to control but provides many economic benefits compared to a country like North Korea.

If China isn't going to pursue the liberation of outer Manchuria in this century, then there's no harm in strengthening Russia.

Russia is also quite useful because they're willing to do morally questionable things that China can't do without ruining its reputation. Russia can also help to build a network of enemies of the US. Strong allies are always better than weak allies.
 

taxiya

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Declaration of brotherhood happened in 1950s, then look at what happened just a single decade later. Putin is getting old just as Stalin was getting old in thr 1950s.
Yet the brotherhood revives after decades. That says something to me that it is a common goal tied people together. The goal is to overthrow the western world order. It doesn't matter if the word is dropped again hypothetically, because the desire shared by Chinese and Russian will remain untill it is realized. It is only a day dream of the west thinking that they can buy up people with pride and self-esteem.
 

Bob Smith

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Well Putin did refer to Chinese and Russian people as close like brothers in his speech in the Sino-Russo culture year celebration recently.

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普京致辞表示,我完全赞同习近平主席关于俄中关系的积极评价。俄中两国人民亲如兄弟。今年是中华人民共和国成立75周年。俄罗斯人民为中国人民在中国共产党领导下取得的伟大成就感到由衷高兴和钦佩。俄中建交75年来,双方关系积累了很多宝贵经验,当前正处于历史最好时期。俄中关系基于相互尊重、平等互信,促进了各自国家发展,造福了两国人民,树立了国际关系典范。在俄中庆祝建交75周年之际举办“俄中文化年”活动具有重要象征意义。俄方愿同中方深化人文交流,增进彼此了解,推动两国合作不断提质升级。

The last time such reference happened was in the 1950s. The word brother has been used many times to signify the closeness of relationships between countries especially among communist countries around the world. It should not be taken with ethnicity or culture origion and making a doubt because of them. Think about it as another way of saying "iron-clad" or "special relationship".

Back to reality, people change, brothers can break up and kill each other, in that sense ethnicity and culture affliation or even kinship means nothing for brotherhood, isn't it? Just look at Korea and the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian war. On the other hand strangers can become friend and sworn brothers. It is all up to what people do, where they stand and if they share a common future. Many Russians may not agree with Putin, but his leadership has chosen the path. It is up to today and future Chinese and Russian to cultivate this path. So don't bother what some Russian "elites" do, they are the past, their money have been confesticated by the west, they are being cleansed from Russian society with the help of their Western master. These "elites" are pretty much like the old Tsarist aristocrats who got kicked out of Russia. I think Putin and Russian leadership's moving to the east is no less significant than the Bolshevik revolution that Russia broke out from the European centric power structure. It is only now that China is picking up the mission that USSR has failed, Russian's turn isn't "last resort" but a conituation of a world revolution that they started.
Couldn't care less what a politician like Putin says in public while on an official state visit to China when he's desperate for support from the only economic lifeline he has left. I've browsed Russian geopolitics subs/social media in the past and they've never viewed China/Chinese people favorably before the war and I'm wondering why there's so many Russian simps in Chinese boards. Again, Russia is only using China as a partner of last resort because they've been shunned by the West due to their war of territorial expansion. China should view this relationship as a quid pro quo just like how Russians view it. If Russia can get back with the West while keeping Ukrainian territory even if it means enmity with China, I'm sure they would do it in a heartbeat.
 

_killuminati_

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This is kinda American history revisionism. Until they enter the war US sold weapons to Nazi Germany.

And their support to the Soviet Union is grossly exaggerated, they only provided some civil transport staff.

The only real arsenal of the fight against Nazi Germany was the Soviet Union, who basically defeated them, with Americans entering the war when the Germans were losing already.
The belief in North America is that the US won the war for the allies in WWII. I don't know what it is like in US (probably the same) but in Canadian schools' history classes we aren't taught the fact that Russia captured Berlin, nor that the bulk of the Nazi losses occurred against Russians, nor that the Nazi Atlantic Wall remained impenetrable for Western forces until 1944 when the Third Reich had already lost most of it's power against Russians.

To me it looks like a conflict between Russia and Germany more, and less anyone else.
 

taxiya

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Couldn't care less what a politician like Putin says in public while on an official state visit to China when he's desperate for support from the only economic lifeline he has left. I've browsed Russian geopolitics subs/social media in the past and they've never viewed China/Chinese people favorably before the war and I'm wondering why there's so many Russian simps in Chinese boards. Again, Russia is only using China as a partner of last resort because they've been shunned by the West due to their war of territorial expansion. China should view this relationship as a quid pro quo just like how Russians view it. If Russia can get back with the West while keeping Ukrainian territory even if it means enmity with China, I'm sure they would do it in a heartbeat.
I was only to respond to this from you
Why do so many Chinese people refer to Russia as a brother when no Russians refer to Chinese as the same?
 

Africablack

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It's in China's best interest for this war to go on indefinitely as it weakens both Russia and the West while keeping America from focusing solely on containing China. Why is it in China's interest to tip the scale when the war has been in stalemate for the last 2 years? Russia will never lose this war as they have over 5,000 nuclear weapons so Putin won't be overthrown. Why do so many Chinese people refer to Russia as a brother when no Russians refer to Chinese as the same? Look at where their elites parked their money before the war and their society looks to for cultural enrichment, it certainly isn't China. Every Russian sees themselves as ethnically and culturally European and they're only using China as a partner of last resort because they've been shunned by the West due to their need for territorial expansion.
I completely agree with this. Both China and Russia are friends because of convenience and I've mentioned this here before. At the end of the day Russians are Europeans and everything being equal, they'll pick Europe over China.
 
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