Military situation in the sino-indian border

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I always found the scenario interesting.

Ignoring the fact the US and Mexican governments work closely together in a lot of areas and assuming a hostile Mexican government came to power and started border incursions, the US would most likely hit the Mexican military with airstrikes.

The US would not want full scale war with Mexico and would probably limit attacks to specific targets until the Mexicans backed down.

They would also apply heavy economic pressure/sanctions until the Mexican government collapsed.

This is off topic but I don't think the US would want the Mexican govnt to collapse even there is a war between the two. Without a govnt, Mexicans will flood US borders and cause massive damage to the US social and economic stability. This is actually very similar to the China/NK situation. The US will most likely keep it as limited as possible, so as not to perturb Mexico too much. The goal would be to hammer the Mexican govnt to submission and thats it.

That would be the worst case scenario. Most likely, the US won't allow the situation to deteriorate that much. The US has significant political sway in Mexico. It will make sure any Mexican govnt will be at least somewhat pro-US.
 
Yesterday at 5:32 PM
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now, I don't know what was the role of Bhutan in 1890 deal (maybe none), but the current Bhutanese claim of its border to start around Batang Pass Monday at 6:19 AM
is in DISagreement with where the waters go down to either the Teesta (in Sikkim) or the Torsa (originally in Tibet):
it's pretty obvious the water wouldn't flow from Batang Pass to the south through Mt. Gipmochi!

that's as much as I can say from the middle of Europe
actually there's more:

the Chinese territorial claim to Bhutan in the above area might've been bigger than what's shown Yesterday at 6:47 AM
Monday at 12:28 PM

... now found it broadcasted in Chinese TV:
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it would be based on the combination of

#1: the obvious, which is the basin of the Torsa River stretches also to the east; and

#2: the historical claim of Tibet, which I looked into today;

from the 1876 map I found in
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(don't worry, I think I know what I'm doing)

I clipped out this:
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I approximated "the shoulder" of the Torsa River, the red line in the map below, and located the highest peak (LOL it's Himalaya so a mountain around 5300 m high probably doesn't need to have a name), draw the line in blue; the blue-to-red distance-ratio is about six-to-one:
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almost 150 years later the map is:
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and that ratio (not shown, because nobody reads this LOL!) is yeah about six-to-one, plus the azimuth looks to be about the same, too, so the old map is not just some illustration or something

the point is when looking at the terrain (concerns point #1 above) and at the old map (concerns point #2 above), the bigger Chinese claim might've been something like this (marked is Mount Gipmochi 14523 ft; in the old map: 14518 ft, my congratulations!), I mean it would include also the area to the east from the Torsa River:
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EDIT with this, I hope my excursion ends LOL it's pretty time consuming
 
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first sorta summary of what I found out
Thursday at 5:32 PM
Yesterday at 9:10 PM
and this afternoon (concerns also the article which I'll just repost below):

I haven't heard of Sikkim - Tibet border being disputed BUT of course Bhutan - Tibet border IS disputed;
so Indian border isn't disputed, but India sent troops to Bhutan, as Bhutan border is disputed by China

China claims the territory starting from the water divide at "Gymochen", which according to me should be at coordinates of something like
27°16'42"N 88°54'32"E
and is located about one kilometer to approximately south-west from
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(marked in the map below);
the contour lines should be visible, making it obvious where the waters would go down from "Gymochen":
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possible additional Chinese claim to the area to the east from the Torsa River:
Yesterday at 9:10 PM
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EDIT with this, I hope my excursion ends LOL it's pretty time consuming
has been documented several years ago at
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(it shows to me:
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)

so I "rediscovered America" (LOL), but the line I drew Yesterday at 9:10 PM agrees to within about a quarter of a kilometer with what that link shows, as you can check
 
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related to the above post is
Commentary: Turning a deaf ear to China will not help India on Doklam
Xinhua| 2017-07-14 20:31:59
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India has repeatedly ignored China's call for pulling its border-crossing troops from Doklam area back to its own territory. However, turning a deaf ear to China will but to worsen the month-long stand-off and put itself further into embarrassment.

India should not regard the existing situation as the same as or even similar to the previous two stand-offs in 2013 and 2014 near Ladakh, a disputed area between China,
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and India in southeastern Kashmir. Diplomatic efforts led the troops frictions there to a well-arranged end. But this time it is a totally different case.

This is the first time Indian troops have crossed the border in the Sikkim section India has demarcated with China, which, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said, is also the only determined boundary between the two Asian countries.

"The Sikkim section of the China-India boundary has been defined by the Convention between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet(1890)," and both Chinese and Indian governments have repeatedly acknowledged it, Geng noted.

In June, Indian troops brazenly crossed into the Chinese territory in Doklam, stayed there and obstructed China from building a road there. Many arguments and protests from China have failed to bring India back to reason.

New Delhi claimed encroachment of its own territory by China before saying it sent troops to "protect" its "ally" Bhutan, a sovereign state which has apparently so far made no such an invitation for the sake of that boundary area.

India has to know illegal stay of its troops in Doklam will by no means force a fait accompli there, and that it has to change mind before things going even worse.

China has made it clear that there is no room for negotiations on this incident, and India must withdraw its border-crossing troops from Doklam. For China, border line is the bottom line.

In addition, India's illegal move in Doklam runs contrary to the fundamentals on international relations it has advocated since 1950s along with China and Myanmar. The five principles of peaceful co-existence include mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity.

In recent years, some Indian civil groups, tinted with intense nationalism, have been constantly stirring up anti-China sentiments, even clamoring to boycott "the commodities of hostile countries" at a time when the situation on China-Indian boundary intensified.

On the occasion that the trespass by the Indian troops took place at the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary, some senior officials of India made irrational remarks, which further fueled the unnecessary tension.

As an old Chinese saying goes, peace is most precious. It has been noticed that Indian Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar recently has made positive remarks in Singapore, saying that "India and China should not let differences become disputes."

What China would like to see more are corresponding actions taken by India.

China has a will to solve the problem peacefully by diplomatic means, and China also cherishes the peace and serenity in the border areas, but the precondition is that the trespassers of India must withdraw unconditionally.

It is highly anticipated that India would abide by the basic principles of international law, and would not stick to its errors stubbornly.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Peace is the best outcome of this standoff but some people are blind to it mistaken patient as weaknesses. So the next best thing is be prepared.

An assembly brigade conducted a shooting exercise in Tibet at an altitude of 5,000m. Very focused on the current situation with India.

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siegecrossbow

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Peace is the best outcome of this standoff but some people are blind to it mistaken patient as weaknesses. So the next best thing is be prepared.

An assembly brigade conducted a shooting exercise in Tibet at an altitude of 5,000m. Very focused on the current situation with India.

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No air support?
 

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India's greatest Fear has realized as China set to get involved in Jammu and Kashmir

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China plays its Kashmir card: Why India must be on guard
July 14, 2017 09:53 IST
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'It will be foolhardy to overlook that this stunning shift in China's stance comes as the culmination of the severely damaged India-China relationship under the present government,' says Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar.

However, what is extraordinary is China's reaction to the OIC resolution.

China's foreign ministry spokesman said in Beijing on July 12: 'We have noted relevant reports. The situation of Kashmir has drawn the attention of the international community. Both Pakistan and India are important countries in South Asia.'

'The conflict between the two countries along the Line of Control in Kashmir is neither conducive to their own stability and development nor regional peace and tranquility.'

'China hopes relevant parties to do more to help with regional peace and stability and refrain from escalating the tension.'

'China stands ready to play a constructive role to improve the relations between Pakistan and India.'

No doubt, it is a carefully worded statement -- and it is a poignant fact that Beijing has articulated on the above lines against the backdrop of the month-long military standoff on the Sikkim border.

The Chinese statement shows a marked shift from its traditional stance (in the post-Cold War era) on the Kashmir issue and India-Pakistan relations.

It will be foolhardy to overlook that this stunning shift in China's stance comes as the culmination of the severely damaged India-China relationship during the three year period under the present government.

The birds have come to roost, finally.

India's core interests have come under challenge.

The most consequential template of India's foreign policies is breaking loose right in front of our eyes and is beginning to drift away in a perilous direction over which we may have no control.


 
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