Military situation in the sino-indian border


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in the area (described Today at 3:55 PM):
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based on 1890
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Sikkim ends / Tibet begins

where
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(not shown above) basin ends /
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basin begins;

the Chinese claim Today at 6:47 AM
Monday at 12:28 PM

... now found it broadcasted in Chinese TV:
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puts the watershed roughly around
  • the Torsa, flowing up from Tibet;
  • the confluence of the Torsa and the Langmarpo;
  • the ridge including Mt. Gipmochi;
  • the place I saw called Gymochen, which I didn't locate precisely;
  • up through Doka Pass to Batang Pass; then
of course follows the current China-Sikkim border, to the origin of the Teesta River in
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now, I don't know what was the role of Bhutan in 1890 deal (maybe none), but the current Bhutanese claim of its border to start around Batang Pass Monday at 6:19 AM
... approximately at
27° 19' 38" N; 88° 55' 17" E
according to google:
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is in DISagreement with where the waters go down to either the Teesta (in Sikkim) or the Torsa (originally in Tibet):
it's pretty obvious the water wouldn't flow from Batang Pass to the south through Mt. Gipmochi!

that's as much as I can say from the middle of Europe
 
in the area (described Today at 3:55 PM):
gCE5b.jpg


based on 1890
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Sikkim ends / Tibet begins

where
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(not shown above) basin ends /
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basin begins;

the Chinese claim Today at 6:47 AM

puts the watershed roughly around
  • the Torsa, flowing up from Tibet;
  • the confluence of the Torsa and the Langmarpo;
  • the ridge including Mt. Gipmochi;
  • the place I saw called Gymochen, which I didn't locate precisely;
  • up through Doka Pass to Batang Pass; then
of course follows the current China-Sikkim border, to the origin of the Teesta River in
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ljWSt.jpg



now, I don't know what was the role of Bhutan in 1890 deal (maybe none), but the current Bhutanese claim of its border to start around Batang Pass Monday at 6:19 AM
is in DISagreement with where the waters go down to either the Teesta (in Sikkim) or the Torsa (originally in Tibet):
it's pretty obvious the water wouldn't flow from Batang Pass to the south through Mt. Gipmochi!

that's as much as I can say from the middle of Europe

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in the area (described Today at 3:55 PM):
gCE5b.jpg


based on 1890
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Sikkim ends / Tibet begins

where
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(not shown above) basin ends /
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basin begins;

the Chinese claim Today at 6:47 AM

puts the watershed roughly around
  • the Torsa, flowing up from Tibet;
  • the confluence of the Torsa and the Langmarpo;
  • the ridge including Mt. Gipmochi;
  • the place I saw called Gymochen, which I didn't locate precisely;
  • up through Doka Pass to Batang Pass; then
of course follows the current China-Sikkim border, to the origin of the Teesta River in
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ljWSt.jpg



now, I don't know what was the role of Bhutan in 1890 deal (maybe none), but the current Bhutanese claim of its border to start around Batang Pass Monday at 6:19 AM
is in DISagreement with where the waters go down to either the Teesta (in Sikkim) or the Torsa (originally in Tibet):
it's pretty obvious the water wouldn't flow from Batang Pass to the south through Mt. Gipmochi!

that's as much as I can say from the middle of Europe

Someone else attempted the same exercise as you. The purely geographical and historical part is objective enough but note that this site and particular author tend to lean anti-China:
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rott

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You know what I found hilarious in all these?

India, Pakistan join China and Russia-led security bloc
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Yeh, less than 2 weeks before all these happened.

So India joins SCO only to stirs up trouble in the border and stabs a founding member in the back. How does that work? If China goes to war with India does that mean all of SCO goes to war with India? Is the SCO like the NATO counterpart?

Can you imagine a country (let's say Mexico) that joins NATO and less than 2 weeks joining NATO starts to intrude into US border MILITARILY. Can you imagine the kind of response US would have on Mexico?
Lmao...
If Mexico intrudes into the US. The Americans wouldn't hesitate to wipe Mexico off the map. They would most probably just give them a single warning and then hell breaks lose.
We all know the US, don't we?
 

rott

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China doesn't want to be the ones to fire the first shot, and that does limit is options.

Currently I think China is playing for time as it has more important matters to deal with regarding Korea and the G20.

Firstly, it does not want to have to deploy resources to the Indian boarder when it might need them in Korea if Trump does anything stupid.

The Indians are no match for China militarily, but China cannot afford to take them lightly either.

A boarder war with India will require the PLA to deploy not insignificant proportions of its Air Force and air defence assets to ensure victory.

Secondly and more importantly, as a principle, China does not believe in going to war half heartedly.

Unlike some countries, shooting off some cruise missiles is not considered an effective or appropriate military response.

When it comes to direct military engagements, the general trend the PLA has set is they either go big or they don't bother.

China has a well documented history of showing extreme patience and restraint in not using military force when it might have a valid excuse to do so. But if someone is stupid enough to push China into taking military action, they PLA tend to ensure its response is harsh enough to not be forgotten in a hurry.

It was over 50 years since China had to last teach this lesson to India.

I am sure China does not wish to have to give another lesson just yet. However, it also knows that what India has done so far does not yet warrant the kind of military response it feels is worthwhile to endure the inevitable western biased condemnations for.

So it bids its time by only issuing protests, while waiting for either the Indians to ultimately back down, or cross a line not even the biased western media can spin to heap all the blame on China, at which point China will act swiftly and decisively, as it did in 62.
You hit the nail right on the head. :)
 

lucretius

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Lmao...
If Mexico intrudes into the US. The Americans wouldn't hesitate to wipe Mexico off the map. They would most probably just give them a single warning and then hell breaks lose.
We all know the US, don't we?

I always found the scenario interesting.

Ignoring the fact the US and Mexican governments work closely together in a lot of areas and assuming a hostile Mexican government came to power and started border incursions, the US would most likely hit the Mexican military with airstrikes.

The US would not want full scale war with Mexico and would probably limit attacks to specific targets until the Mexicans backed down.

They would also apply heavy economic pressure/sanctions until the Mexican government collapsed.
 
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