Military situation in the sino-indian border

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

These comments under video are Hilarious.
I love the brahmos argument, the best missile in the world according to Indian.

 

[delft]

India has had a major diplomatic effort to isolate Pakistan, for many months already, an effort that has been spectacularly ineffective. I think this episode means India is trying to win support among other countries to use against Pakistan. China will win just by not giving in to India.
BTW Ambassador Bhadrakumar hasn't even commented on it. It is clearly too unimportant.

 

[Ultra]

I have to say that China's response to India's incursion is surprising mild, they are not using any really harsh language or threats, all they have done so far is keep repeating that it request India to withdraw.

China have all the right in this situation, clearly India violated Chinese territory on purpose, here is my analysis.

India is seeing all of its neighborhood country such as Pakistan, Nepal, Sir Lanka, Bangladesh (Except Pakistan) were much closer to India than with China before not so long ago, but now all of them are closer to China than India, this was due to 2 reasons, 1 China's smart diplomacy and 2 India's stupid diplomacy the 2015 Nepal blockade and India's annexation of Sikkim come to mind.

The only ally that India have left in its own backyard is Bhutan, who also have border dispute with China, but I have a feeling that Bhutan is not a normal country in a sense that they really close themselves off from the world, and outsource their diplomacy to India, that is not very smart of Bhutan, they had better luck directly talking to China.

India wants to demonstrate to China and all of its neighbor that you can trust me, China is just a paper tiger, you see I am helping Bhutan to stand up for its right and China can't do anything about it, therefore you must stop orientating your foreign policy to China, you have to look at me now.

So if India won in this stand off then it would be a HUGE hit for Chinese reputation and a huge win for India. But that only works if China literally decide to give in, China have more troops more resources in that area than India, so if a war really breaks out India would not stand a chance, and I have no doubt India's higher up knows this but yet they are not backing down as they should have for the own interest.

And China on the other hand has not yet stepping up the pressure, but here is my speculation why, I think China is now on a diplomatic overtime trying to build up a case for support. Clearly India is the aggressor here, China can win narrative this time.

I think in another 1-2 weeks you will see China using more harsh language to condemn India and further isolate India internationally, so most likely India will have to withdraw and lose face, (China is not doing that now because if India withdraw too soon the face lose for India won't be as bad). And if that don't work, China will isolate India further before the actual fighting, and when all is said and done after India suffer another epic defeat, there will be no sympathy for India from any nation in the world include US and its other Western nations, whatever the outcome that they withdraw in peace or in war it would not be good for India, and if China done it smartly, China can paint India as this aggressive nation that invade other nation's land and India's 21st century will be mired in darkness, they will receive no support and no technology transfer from Western country who had plan to build up India as a counter to China.

For one thing, India has far superior strategic airlift capability than China.

India has 10 C-17 in its inventory and 17

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China has 2 Y-20 in its inventory and 16

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Also, India has been steadily acquiring mountain fighting equipments for the past 15 years.
Take a look at their artillery and howitzers inventories. It has also been training mountain fighting troops far more than China has.

 

[tidalwave]

This blatant Indian intrusion should be a wake-up call for China, who fancies itself as a major power.

It's doing things way too slow. It should put forth effort to developed the J31. J31 and it's corresponding WS13E should massive production by now.

What that means is Pakistan should already Fielding J31 in large quantity and this will give them decisive air power edge over India.

With that, Pakistan would be attacking India by now trying to recoup Kashmir.

And India will definitely have no time or energy to cross border to obstruct road construction.

China's slow Ness in exporting 5th gen stealth fighters to Pakistan is the main cause of this.

 

[Ultra]

China's response to all these should be simple.

Just deploy snipers and and artillery all along these area. Shoot all of them that cross the borders. If they try to retrieve the bodies shoot them all too. Let the dead bodies be the evidence.

This will be very humiliating for the indians, and shows the world not only did they intruded on the border they are also in the wrong too. Let's see how they going to argue against that.

 

[plawolf]

But how does this play out in the end? If India does not withdraw and stays there would China just leave it the way it is?.

No, China doesn't need to leave the situation as is, nor do they need to resort to force (which would inevitably become deadly force if it came to that in this instance) to remove the Indian soldiers.

All China needs to do is slightly adapt old Mao's 'surround and attack the reinforcements' strategy the PLA used to great effect during the civil war.

This is a small unit alone and well inside Chinese territory.

All China needs to do is outflank them and set up its owe human chains on the boarder blocking off reinforcements and supplies from India to this detachment.

Let's see how keen they are about staying put after a week without food or water.

It's a long and probably porous boarder, so it will probably take the PLA some time to muster the numbers to be able to effectively cut off all possible resupply routes for the unit. But once they do, the Indians can go back to where they came from, or they can die where they stand without Chinese soldiers having to fire a single shot in anger.

 

[Ultra]

You know what I found hilarious in all these?

India, Pakistan join China and Russia-led security bloc

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Yeh, less than 2 weeks before all these happened.

So India joins SCO only to stirs up trouble in the border and stabs a founding member in the back. How does that work? If China goes to war with India does that mean all of SCO goes to war with India? Is the SCO like the NATO counterpart?

Can you imagine a country (let's say Mexico) that joins NATO and less than 2 weeks joining NATO starts to intrude into US border MILITARILY. Can you imagine the kind of response US would have on Mexico?

 

[sanblvd]

No, China doesn't need to leave the situation as is, nor do they need to resort to force (which would inevitably become deadly force if it came to that in this instance) to remove the Indian soldiers.

All China needs to do is slightly adapt old Mao's 'surround and attack the reinforcements' strategy the PLA used to great effect during the civil war.

This is a small unit alone and well inside Chinese territory.

All China needs to do is outflank them and set up its owe human chains on the boarder blocking off reinforcements and supplies from India to this detachment.

Let's see how keen they are about staying put after a week without food or water.

It's a long and probably porous boarder, so it will probably take the PLA some time to muster the numbers to be able to effectively cut off all possible resupply routes for the unit. But once they do, the Indians can go back to where they came from, or they can die where they stand without Chinese soldiers having to fire a single shot in anger.

If India have the will to stay there is nothing China can do about it, they can reinforce supply by helicopter or bring in more troops.

 

[sanblvd]

For one thing, India has far superior strategic airlift capability than China.

India has 10 C-17 in its inventory and 17

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China has 2 Y-20 in its inventory and 16

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Also, India has been steadily acquiring mountain fighting equipments for the past 15 years.
Take a look at their artillery and howitzers inventories. It has also been training mountain fighting troops far more than China has.

I think you are getting your numbers wrong, China have more 16 IL-76, but IL-76 is not as useful as Y-8 and Y-9, how many of those planes that India have?

India has been "acquiring mountain fighting equipment" while China has been producing them on their own which are not inferior than India, but most importantly, look at logistics, China have far better ability to move its troops in all areas of the border than India. I have not yet began to compare air assets and drones, It will not be a fair fight.

 

[PiSigma]

If India have the will to stay there is nothing China can do about it, they can reinforce supply by helicopter or bring in more troops.

China produces a lot of toy lasers. Have fun with those hoovering helicopters