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It is truly unfortunate that the world is indeed divided into free vs evil commies. Too many are deluding themselves that China is below them, and should stay down there. I believe that Sinophobia goes beyond the Red Scare. Its real roots is in white-supremacy racism itself. For non-White racists, they were manipulated into thinking themselves are closer to Whites than the Chinese just by being in the 'Democracy club' with the White democracies at the top. Hence, I think it does not matter if China is ruled by a CPC or a multi-party democracy. The hate will continue, because it goes against the narrative that a 'white nation' must be the #1. If it was really about Red Scare. Why is a white Free-Tibet supporter in America able to tell a Korean-American to "go back to Communist China"? Why are citizen ethnic Chinese targeted in pogroms in democracies like the USA, Indonesia, Malaysia, and India? Why does a US senator say that China has 5000 year history of cheating and stealing? Why do Jai Hinds say that China is a 'new' country?

Karma have already started hitting these those who are malicious against China. All those 'democracies' who had condemned, ridiculed, and outright slander China are experiencing the full brunt of pandemic disaster and economic meltdown. But there is also a vicious cycle, they are blaming China for their woes than owning up for their own failings. So Sinophobia is accelerating around the 'free world'. Thanks to powerful Western propaganda machinery, the masses of the 'free-world' are jumping onboard the China-hate bandwagon.

One such example is India. It won't be a surprise to many members in this forum. But it is shocking for many innocent Chinese citizens that a great many Indians (especially the urban ones) actually think that India is miles ahead of China in modernization. It has been taught in schools and propagated through the Indian media that China is a backwards and poor communist country. This created a culture of Indian 'superiority' over the Chinese. I guess this is the genesis of the Jai Hinds. But why is China richer than India then? Must be an evil commie thing! So when the free-world is in anti-China fever, India only is too happy to join. When Covid-19 appeared in China, many Jai Hinds were celebrating this. They were promoting this as India's opportunity to overtake China.
Worse still, India took this opportunity of 'Chinese weakness' to attempt a landgrab at the border with China. Then the rest is history. I think the deliberate murder of unarmed PLA soldiers is probably something related to racist motivations. Perhaps the Indian Army wanted to bully-down the 'wimpy-single-child' Chinese soldiers. Instead, they've got what they deserved, and India went into full-blown Sinophobia after that.

At this very pivotal time when the center of gravity is pivoting towards the East. China was there, willing to help India to ascend as a fellow Asian brother. But India had chosen the West instead of the East. Alas this Indian misplaced sense of racial superiority is proving too difficult to overcome. India had promised to the world too many times that it'll compete, and then overtake China. But evidence is mounting that India can never deliver on these promises. Now India is doubling down on buying Western scams left, right, and center. It would be an interesting time to watch India in the coming years.
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Like the standup comedian Ron White once said: "You can not fix stupid". Majority of people are uninformed. Some are just plain stupid. And they are the treasure trove to all politicians. The #1 reason Chinese have less of that disease is due to the struggle of last 200 years. That experience shattered Chinese illusion genetically. So today's Chinese are brutally pragmatic. And the rest of the world seem to be hard to catch up with that cruel reality.
 
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Looks like India is still going to refuse to vacate dispute and China won't leave because India won't leave. The question is would India leave if China leaves?? I VERY much doubt that! China would leave if India does and just like Pangong, make the other disputed sections a total buffer. This serves China's aim to secure Aksai Chin to a greater degree than it's ever been secured and to ensure no chance for violent clashes. Any further violence and meeting of troops after full buffer is served would be CLEAR escalation to war as opposed to previous state of "hey you're in my CLAIMED land so please go back" and when they don't it's a pushing and shouting match.

Many around the internet still interpret the current situation of standoff as Chinese held upper hand when it is India here holding the momentum because China is in a response position with these talks now. China achieved Pangong buffer after occupying and forcing Indian agreement but India refuses to make that the situation elsewhere and insists on at least settling up in the rest of the dispute.

This is EXACTLY the same effect as PLA settling in F4 to F8. India has been occupying other parts of the dispute just like PLA occupied F4 to F8. The question is will China escalate or be happy with this status quo change. Except there's no headless chicken panic of saying abc and xyz contradictions all day like a manic from China. India is OCCUPYING Chinese claimed lands the same way PLA occupied Indian claimed lands and sorted it into a buffer finally. Remains to be seen whether India will concede or China will escalate. I doubt China will escalate as long as India doesn't push to blue line but also won't remove PLA.
 
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How is that Quad partnership with the US going? Now Uncle Sam wanna challenge India's 'excessive maritime claims'. LOL you guys are gonna be the best of buddies.

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Then some Indian analysts goes on RT and starts writing an article about Indian-Russian 'friendship'.

While there is a perception of divergence between the two sides due to their respective global strategic compulsions, India needs Russia and vice-versa and the ‘special and privileged strategic partnership’ is not fading away.
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So let me get this straight. This is probably how the writer is presenting this. Russia should not worry about India getting closer to the US. Russia will not get closer to China because of India. Russia will listen to India's concerns about selling arms to Pakistan. Russia will take care of India's interest concerning Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

So basically, he means that Russia should not question India's quest to get closer to the US and the Quad. Nevermind that Russia's sworn enemies, the US, and Japan are among them. But Russia must listen to India's concerns about getting closer to China, Pakistan, Iran, etc.

LOL. Is this India-Russia friendship a one-way relationship? Who the hell does India think it is? We we thought that US FONOP into India's own claimed waters should have sobered them up. Well who are we kidding? Jai Hinds are never sober.
 
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But evidence is mounting that India can never deliver on these promises. Now India is doubling down on buying Western scams left, right, and center. It would be an interesting time to watch India in the coming years.
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In the Post Peak Oil world, a strong (even friendly) India is not a net benefit for Chinese strategic interests... so its actually better this way... same is true for a weak and economically collapsed EU
 
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How is that Quad partnership with the US going? Now Uncle Sam wanna challenge India's 'excessive maritime claims'. LOL you guys are gonna be the best of buddies.

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Then some Indian analysts goes on RT and starts writing an article about Indian-Russian 'friendship'.





So let me get this straight. This is probably how the writer is presenting this. Russia should not worry about India getting closer to the US. Russia will not get closer to China because of India. Russia will listen to India's concerns about selling arms to Pakistan. Russia will take care of India's interest concerning Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran.

So basically, he means that Russia should not question India's quest to get closer to the US and the Quad. Nevermind that Russia's sworn enemies, the US, and Japan are among them. But Russia must listen to India's concerns about getting closer to China, Pakistan, Iran, etc.

LOL. Is this India-Russia friendship a one-way relationship? Who the hell does India think it is? We we thought that US FONOP into India's own claimed waters should have sobered them up. Well who are we kidding? Jai Hinds are never sober.
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Delusional.

The self importance that some Jai Hinds carry along is humongous.

Russia's sole interest with India is the arms sales. The lucrative arms sales powered by the budget of India, after India squeezes the tax revenue out of its fledgling middle class.
 
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Delusional.

The self importance that some Jai Hinds carry along is humongous.

Russia's sole interest with India is the arms sales. The lucrative arms sales powered by the budget of India, after India squeezes the tax revenue out of its fledgling middle class.
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Exactly! Jai Hind delusional overload. There are the common idiots, and there are the more educated elites. But all are just as delusional.

India's importance to Russia:
1) Largest customer for Russian defence exports.

China's importance to Russia:
1) Largest trade partner and market for Russia. Defence trade is smaller than India, but not insignificant. Nevertheless, civilian commercial trade is many times larger than India. Anyone with a brain knows that the civilian economy is the backbone of any economy.
2) The only UNSC permanent member who is aligned with Russia.
3) A replacement for the large Western and Japanese markets lost to US pressure and Russophobia.
4) The only major power who is cooperative with Russia. India has never been sensitive to Russia's core interests. If it had, there would be have been no Quad.
5) China & Russia are caught in the same struggle against common enemies. Namely the US and Japan.
6) China has technology that Russia would desire like 5G, HSR, construction technology, EV, etc. What technology can India offer? Cow dung radiation shield? LOL!
7) China is a major source of FDI for Russia. How much FDI has India contributed to Russia?
8) China and Russia are BRI partners. They are working together, trying to building a new alternative, and hopefully fairer world order. While India is hellbent on clinging onto the old world order centered on the supremacy of the Western imperial powers. With delusions that India will be excepted as a peer imperial power among them.

So acoording to Jai Hind logic. Russia is supposed to choose India over China? Russia should be more sensitive to India's feelings than China? But since Russia must be so nice to India, can India return the favour? Like help to restrain Uncle Sam from hurting Russia? Or quit the Quad?

Well off course not! Jai Hinds do not live in reality. Just because Russia is giving a portion of its attention to India. Just because Russia is earning some Indian money from arms exports. They are already thinking that India owns Russia. Only delusion can explain such levels of arrogance.
 
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