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ougoah

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Not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying there is something incorrect about detresfa's images(I am assuming he is who you mean by "pro Indian sources."
Sure, satellite imagery is not perfect, but they are the only clear and unbiased evidence we have to work with.

Not at all.

I'm saying his and all other internet OSINTs' materials do NOT show any evidence of India "winning" anywhere in anything. Troop movements in this disputed land has always been politically controlled not due to military fighting. There was no fighting save for some wrestling pushing fests and that night in June which turned lethal and possibly not by accident (we'll ignore this topic since it's been talked about for hundreds of pages).

Satellite footage only really proves one thing for certain - both sides were in and are in standoff within the disputed land stretch with China mostly at where they actually control i.e. not the aggressor at the present moment. Pangong was easily the focal point of the standoff has been disengaged.

China has been expanding some facilities which have long been there and behind the blue line.

Movements have happened back and forth according to political will and negotiations e.g. Pangong standoff and PLA going from F8 to F4 and then back to F8. If Indians want to make this particular aspect into some win, they should be asking themselves why PLA would go back to F8 if they held F4 and wanted to capture to F4. It wasn't because India was too scary otherwise they wouldn't have stayed there for a year and left unchallenged. They left and India agreed to not step beyond F3. If they want to believe that India never patrolled beyond F3 anyway, well they should feel good then. India won. Ignore that none of it adds up but whatever.

What else do satellites show? That Indian build up towards dispute was certainly happening and fairly significant compared to having nothing. Okay this balances what China's got on east of blue line so it's udnerstandable to me but the CCP considers that threatening and decided PLA occupying to F4 is the correct response/message - that China cares about the remaining 20% and won't let India begin setting up salami slicing de factor occupation starting with build up behind and patrols within.

They also show that right now, India has nothing to be complaining about and China is barely within disputed stretch at Gogra HS while India is far further in front of the LAC. This is my understanding! What interests me is why India refuses to disengage while the onus is now on them to. It must have a lot to do with understanding that disengaging which PLA would mirror with move behind blue line, would be a step towards establishing entire thing as buffer and a step towards losing Indian claims not only of the 20% but the 80% behind that.
 

ougoah

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Well the myopic ones now totally manifested with hatred are firstly doing themselves massive disservice for fooling self. They are also setting themselves up for the same evil... one that lies for you in times of convenience will one day lie against you. It is a virtue to try and refrain from aligning your own person with forces of malevolence when they suit your agendas. But people are obviously hurting. Indians did come out of centuries of being mistreated and have had their status and wealth destroyed and robbed. Just not be us. We've done literally next to nothing to them even during our worst phases in the 20th century. A lot of the online trolls are actually BJP supported/financed and they are obvious. The rest are just hurting and the western narratives are effective at directing all the hate to Chinese people. Oh well. There are greater things in life to aspire to and work towards.

For the same lies that China is falling prey to, they themselves can easily times 100. That devil just hasn't directed much if any attention on them. Reasonable Indians have long understood all this but China India relations have diminished so much since the 2000s and they weren't great to begin with. It's just a shame Asians are kept in this sort of us and them (free vs evil commies) thinking paradigm by those engaged in information and psychological warfare. Whatever for China though. Got enough nukes for those bastards in the west if they kick the door down and got enough people and wealth to go along without them already. A period of animosity could be weathered without losing sight of what matters. Indian trolls working feverishly on helping that devil are setting their own futures up in its pit. I'm not saying China is perfect and their leaders always virtuous and decent but wrt the geopol, China is in the struggle of its life and soul. If it comes out on top with the right to self determination and government, hopefully it would stand for a better future where the world isn't kept in the western false morality cycle where the poor are condemned to be their slaves and charity cases without ever finding the real means to rise. Meanwhile the agenda is to keep the "other" in perpetual conflict. Both sides here have actually remained sensible wrt escalating.
 

Xsizor

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LOL their info and satellite imagery?! The same ones that they find online usually from pro Indian sources that show extremely zoomed in, out of context sites "GEOLOCATED!" to mean xyz despite not having any transition and dates... all the while working with dots which are assumed to be troops and camps. In any case, those very images basically prove what I've been saying all along.
Exactly. They are most often zoomed in. I've had to zoom them out, in many occasions, just so that things are put into perspective.

Two cases where I had to do this -

1. Indian camp in Galwan after disengagement.

2. the Hot Springs PP15 situation.

No dates, no details, not zoomed out, poorly marked. It is doable in a jiffy but not when your agenda is to portray a situation that is nonexistent in reality.
 

Xsizor

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So happy to see the Naxal Maoist movement being mentioned in this forum. Jura, if you watch us, suck it brat!LOL

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One person is being held by Maoists
By the definitions the Jai Hind use for Xinjiang groups and other volatile elements in China and Pakistan, these are "Freedom Fighters".

Many in Indian forums have frothed at their mouth on HK riots, Pakistan(Baloch) terrorism and even the slightest possibility of Tibetan volatility.
 

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