Ladakh Flash Point


twineedle

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So the turkik and Central Asian invaders reached India, yet magically skipped over Pakistan. lol
Pakistanis sure love the people who conquered and ruled over them for 1000 years.

Anyway, by the time the British arrived at the subcontinent, most of South Asia was ruled by the Marathas and Sikhs.
 
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Mohsin77

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So the turkik and Central Asian invaders reached India, yet magically skipped over Pakistan. lol
Pakistanis sure love the people who conquered and ruled over them for 1000 years.
How about I explain this story to you using my own genetic profile from FtDNA:

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The majority of my DNA isn't even from the "Indian Subcontinent". I'd bet that this is the case with the majority of people in Pakistan. We are literally descendants of the people who conquered you and settled here, mixing with the locals. I also had a test done at the now defunct NatGeo's DNA study, and below is its result. Note, NATGEO later updated my 1st reference population to Turkmenistan, minor detail. Both populations were part of the "Mughals."

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ougoah

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If anyone is having a bad day then here is something funny from DFI to cheer you up.

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LOL their info and satellite imagery?! The same ones that they find online usually from pro Indian sources that show extremely zoomed in, out of context sites "GEOLOCATED!" to mean xyz despite not having any transition and dates... all the while working with dots which are assumed to be troops and camps. In any case, those very images basically prove what I've been saying all along.

I don't get what they're trying to prove. They're desperate to make any evidence look like India is simultaneously a victim of Chinese aggression and a victor. But those images prove that India has been building up to disputed. China occupied lots of it. India lost lots of men trying to reverse this. India failed to push PLA out. PLA stayed from June to December, nearly 5 full months more. Then PLA only disengaged after Indians agreed to create a buffer which is something China wants!

Their own evidence shows this chain of events. Something set Chinese off to occupy forward positions (that something MUST have been Indian build up and increased patrols) to force Indian agreement for no more patrolling at least at Pangong this has been managed but not elsewhere.

I suppose all they're desperately trying to "redeem" for their egos now is presenting the scenario like this. China was very bad and aggressive and wanted more land so moved in and then retreated because you know... India too scary and strong. Don't think about why PLA was there for a whole year and 5 months after fights and how India was totally incapable of shooting or pushing PLA out during that time. Don't think about why PLA left if their intention was to push line forward. Just accept the bollywood storyline of mighty Bihar and crying PLA.

Absolutely pathetic, self delusional way of understanding reality. It really only works against those who engage in fooling themselves.
 

jfy1155

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LOL their info and satellite imagery?! The same ones that they find online usually from pro Indian sources that show extremely zoomed in, out of context sites "GEOLOCATED!" to mean xyz despite not having any transition and dates... all the while working with dots which are assumed to be troops and camps. In any case, those very images basically prove what I've been saying all along.

I don't get what they're trying to prove. They're desperate to make any evidence look like India is simultaneously a victim of Chinese aggression and a victor. But those images prove that India has been building up to disputed. China occupied lots of it. India lost lots of men trying to reverse this. India failed to push PLA out. PLA stayed from June to December, nearly 5 full months more. Then PLA only disengaged after Indians agreed to create a buffer which is something China wants!

Their own evidence shows this chain of events. Something set Chinese off to occupy forward positions (that something MUST have been Indian build up and increased patrols) to force Indian agreement for no more patrolling at least at Pangong this has been managed but not elsewhere.

I suppose all they're desperately trying to "redeem" for their egos now is presenting the scenario like this. China was very bad and aggressive and wanted more land so moved in and then retreated because you know... India too scary and strong. Don't think about why PLA was there for a whole year and 5 months after fights and how India was totally incapable of shooting or pushing PLA out during that time. Don't think about why PLA left if their intention was to push line forward. Just accept the bollywood storyline of mighty Bihar and crying PLA.

Absolutely pathetic, self delusional way of understanding reality. It really only works against those who engage in fooling themselves.
They posted your comment and mine too on there.


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ougoah

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We have DFI members on here watching and reporting this forum back to their DFI.

Maybe this is why they've become even more bitter after disengagement. Have to revert to pathetic racism to soothe their egos.

How about they just feel reassured that at least it's India now that is refusing to disengage and end the stand off. China is waiting for them to vacate disputed land but India continues to resist and refuse. I'd give the current upper hand to India if we're only looking at the 20%. They have far more new infrastructure building up towards the 20% piece while China only has their old ones and expanding some of them along with just that new road from F5 to F8 which is really not that important and honestly can be used by the Indians if they capture F4 to F8.

It's interesting to note that this was supposed to be mutually disengaged since Feb but still hasn't as far as we know. India is just as much an aggressor on this remaining 20% as China is. China presents the story that they were reacting to Indian build up and patrolling which is a matter of fact. India has only ever hinted at their own aggression from VK Singh's own words. Beyond that, they deny they were making moves on the 20% stretch.

The standoff won't end until one side gives in and allows the non-Pangong bits of the 20% to become de facto controlled by the other with increasing patrols and eventually permanent build up and settlement within this land. Or if India agrees to the next best thing which is a buffer meaning neither side get the entire 20%. This is the bargain China is aiming for and since Feb, India has been refusing!

Why does India refuse? To maintain the option of one day capturing the full amount or at least more than the 20%. If they settle for a demarcated line or buffer zone, they get nothing. No surprises India is refusing to budge here and is still within the disputed land.

China won't escalate. It has nothing to gain and everything to lose. India had the choice to escalate back when PLA held F4 to F8 for bargaining power but India did not start shooting. India has much less reason now to escalate but have more to gain and almost nothing to lose... except lives and material of course.
 

ougoah

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BTW there were/are in China about as many people (adjusted for population size) who consume bats in whatever form as there are Indians who eat rats and humans i.e. exceedingly rare beyond rare. Chinese do not eat bats. It's not a cuisine or even minority local delicacy like it was in Italy. I mean there are even some minority tribes in India who practice cannibalism for example. Prions.

The video of Chinese woman dining on bat soup was shot in Palau Indonesia where bats ARE a part of diet albeit not that common.

Funny how these asshats need to revert to this sort of racism and perpetuating it to feel good. Bringing others down with lies and contributing to the erosion of human decency. It sums up what China is (silent victim) and represents vs Western world (false morality and lies) and its manipulative devilish ways. Indians were not like this in the past but since independence and all the malevolence that came with those westernised values and thinking, they have become as bad in this manner. Asians have typically been much more balanced, reserved, non-confrontational, and certainly never bothered to perpetuate lies and hate like this.

There are more cannibals per capita in the US than there are bat eaters in China. No one person who has traveled throughout China would have found bats in any restaurants or menus or markets! The ONLY use for bats in China have been in processed powder form for some rare "traditional" medicines that 99% of Chinese people have long ignored and do not buy or use. Processed bat parts are also some of the rarest unused components of certain rare meds that most people aren't even aware of but for the few that do, there is still a market for it. That's less than lab bats for research.

The English publications that showed bats in markets were ALL photographs from other parts of Asia where bats were sold. DailyMail and those publications even captioned those photos with the truth i.e. "Market bat meat from Palau or xyz place (not in China)" but the entire article would talk about chinks eating bats etc. Can't help those who want to perpetuate or participate in organised hate campaigns but that's what they want to do with China and that's the kind of evil they perpetuate and will be returned in karmic/ devine judgement. We can be victims of that racism modern Indians are helping to spread (in fact mostly being spread by them and their BJP controlled trolls and media-fake news brigade). Such is life. It's ironic that people who used to be so culturally and socially decent are now corrupted like this. Malevolent world can do horrible things.
 
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twineedle

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LOL their info and satellite imagery?! The same ones that they find online usually from pro Indian sources that show extremely zoomed in, out of context sites "GEOLOCATED!" to mean xyz despite not having any transition and dates... all the while working with dots which are assumed to be troops and camps. In any case, those very images basically prove what I've been saying all along.
Not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying there is something incorrect about detresfa's images(I am assuming he is who you mean by "pro Indian sources."
Sure, satellite imagery is not perfect, but they are the only clear and unbiased evidence we have to work with.
 

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