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texx1

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That is not what China’s non-interference policy does or is about. China’s NI policy isn’t strictly regarding the internal politics of sovereign states, in that China doesn’t care how everyone rules their own house, and would not seek to actively encourage dissent and help ferment unrest.

China’s NI policy in no way limits China’s ability to respond to requests for aid from other countries, which include military aid.

The Korean War is a clear example, as is the Vietnam war, although to a much lesser extend since Chinese activities were clandestine.

Although the Sino-Vietnam war would be another good example of Chinese direct military intervention in aid of an ally in Cambodia as much as it was about punitive action against Vietnam.

China just doesn’t make a habit of constantly going on foreign military adventures like western governments, indeed China actively goes out of its way to try to have good relations with everyone and not to pick sides. The Middle East would be a perfect example where China has great relations with Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

You do make a good point that China doesn’t get the respect it’s power deserves a lot of the time due to its restraint and peaceful approach to international relations.

But that is a double edged sword, as if China does really show its military capabilities, and engage in hard nosed Great Game direct competition with the US-led west, it will effectively kick off a new Cold War.

China wasn’t to avoid that, or at least delay it for as long as possible. As such it is willing to take some small insignificant losses in the meantime.

PRC really needs to be adoptable to the changing circumstances. Today, China simply has way too much oversea interest to protect. The non-interference policy is often acting as a hindrance for guarding its investments. Not wanting to be drawn into a new cold war is all good but china must change the arguable weak image that any insignificant power could take a swipe at it without any real consequences like what Czech did on Taiwan. If a country always refused to show its stick, it would only embolden its potential enemies.

According to vincent's post, it is still good to know that Xi is taking some actions to move away from non-interference slowly. Hopefully actions like Maldive would occur more often against weak powers in the future.
 

reservior dogs

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3 major reasons for this I think:
1. China has greater PPP and cheaper labour
2. Chinese military manufacturers are controlled by the state, vs US where it's the other way around.
3. Chinese manufacturers didn't have to spend R&D exploring failed concepts
All valid reasons, but even if you compare straight up manufacturing cost, there is a big difference. The type 55, for example, cost less than $1 billion per copy. The Burk flight III cost around $2 billion a copy. Given that flight III is an inferior ship, if we have to scale it up to the same class as the type55, it would be 4x the cost, at least. Here we are comparing straight up production cost. No, R & D involved.
 

hullopilllw

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China is doing to India what she did to Vietnam throughout the 80s - applying relentless pressure along the border and preventing its economic development. This ended with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Vietnam finally coming to their senses. The Americans will fare better than the Soviets but history has shown that American support is notoriously fickle.

China has no hand in preventing India's economy from developing.
 

Nobonita Barua

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We are off topic. I was only referring to psy ops on Pakistan because it used to have a vital impact on Sino-Pakistani relationships. This is vital to the CPEC and the Sino-Pakistan alliance.
Psy ops and religion have been used successfully for example to break Roman Catholic Ukraine from Russia, despite deep economic and strategic ties.
My last two cents before I get a rap on the knuckles from the moderators.

On the linguistic affinity, movies etc.
I may be a very slightly more qualified to comment because I have lived, and worked for extended periods in all four countries, and I speak four languages in addition to Bangla of which I have a modest working knowledge of.
Which is why I can also appreciate the psy ops India plays on Bangladeshi troops when they play Dhano Dhanne Pushpe Bora over loudspeakers and the Kolkata radio beams the slogan Banglar Matir Banglar Phol,
Banglar Vayu, Banglar Jol, Dhanne Ho Dhanne Ho, Hey Bhagowan
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Lol. i would say you are probably not familiar with our culture.
If you think India plays "psy ops" by playing "dhano dhanno pushpe bhora amader ai boshundhara"
We would like them to continue that.

Because for much of "nationalist" indians, Kolkata has become part of Bangladesh.

Considering this is going off topic, i will end it saying, please continue the psy ops, tell us if we can help donating 4-5 loud speakers of our own :cool:


The religion part, however, is on point. And requires much deeper analysis.
 

Sardaukar20

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If India stupidly procures the F-18 fighters. Bravo! First it will annoy Russia. Second, the US is going to predictably put pressure on India to cut off their Russian defence suppliers. More pain for Russia to continue trusting India.

But more importantly, could the F-18 even operate from India's existing 1 and a 1/2 carriers? If not, it's gonna have to wait a hell a long time for India's next carrier. The INS Vikrant is not even operational now even after 11 years of construction. Without carriers the F-18 would be just another fleet of imported fighters. It'll be yet another logistical nightmare for India.

And how much would each plane cost India? Looking at India's astoundingly wasteful procurement record. I'm not surprised it could go as high as USD 200M per plane. Of course much of it won't actually go to Beoing, but to the other folks in the Indian govt. You know who. That would definitely deprive India of more R&D and investment funds for their domestic defence industry. Excellent!
 

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Views on China from Singapore ex-foreign Minister George Yeo

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In a wide-ranging talk, former foreign minister George Yeo praised Beijing’s move to use markets rather than military might to achieve its goals

“Again, if you have to move military forces, you’ve already lost.
Only poor leaders resort to military force to achieve their objectives,” he said.

Referring to criticisms of China’s “coercive diplomacy” – such as it inflicting trade investigations and tariffs on Australian goods amid heightening diplomatic tensions
– Yeo said it was “far better to use your market and economic devices than to fall back on gunboats and fighter planes”.

Pointing to the ancient Chinese military treatise The Art of War by Sun Tzu, Yeo said: “Genius is when you’re able to achieve your objectives just by manoeuvres, without having to fire a single shot.”
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BTW, he had spoken out for China in their claims on the South China Sea during the dispute with the Philippines.
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