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NiuBiDaRen

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Very good analysis, as an Indian let me bring another crucial factor that's not mentioned by you, pure racism towards people of mongoloid features, I noticed this first when i went for a movie with two of my northeastern friends it was embarrassing and frustrating to say the least and I bet dollars to donughts if they had Caucasian features the experience would have been the polar opposite, so yes the illusion of superiority should be crushed just like Europeans did in the past only then sensibility will come to the table

Nothing unusual there, Chinese people have been discriminated abroad for centuries, whether massacred by Suharto's regime in Indonesia in the 1990s, Singapore being kicked out of Malaysia in 1960s because of its Chineseness, and the racism faced in the West etc etc. What is ironic is that Indians claim China stole its rightful place. I don't think China colonized India and used Indians as troops for its empire. Yet they don't claim that particular empire for stealing their historical place as a strong country. Hmm, the logic here...

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AndrewS

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this forum is epicenter of hypocrisy. Coming from mouths of wannabe revolutionary Han and paki's Muslim chauvinist sitting in capitalist US , it's funny to hear the BS.
I would just say this here that cast system is not unique to india. It's a ethnicity marker to be precise. India is not a homogeneous country in first place it never was in it's history. More like a poor version of Europe. a northern like me has nothing in common with Southerner 2000km south except religion , even if we are of same caste. Food is different, ethnicity is different , language is different even culture is different. Even among regions there is difference among people. This is not the case with Han dominated china or other homogeneous society we see in east. If there are no differences , there won't be any nation states in first place. no china ,no Russia , no Zimbabwe ,no USA etc. It will all be open borders and land of fairy tails.
problem with cast is discrimination for that there is reservation. But politicians have made it a vote bank , since job are few and reservation put even qualified people at a disadvantage , using it to create trouble. instead of providing some basic income , social security net or job program for masses.
govt need to do more for upliftment of disadvantageous groups sure because they do face problem and that's a fact. but there is a limit to everything how far you want to push , cause there is usually a blowback.
as for discussion here, i don't take much of it seriously. It's a funny china stonk forum after all.

Whilst I don't agree with what you say, let's play devil's advocate and say you are correct that caste is actually a marker of ethnicity in India.

In that case, India is even more screwed because solving differences in ethnicity is even more difficult than caste.

If you have large numbers of people who physically look different, it is impossible to remove such visible differences and the associated prejudices.

Look at how even the USA struggles with racial discrimination and riots between its racial groups eg.

*Blacks
*Whites
*Yellows
*Browns
 

Bright Sword

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Very good analysis, as an Indian let me bring another crucial factor that's not mentioned by you, pure racism towards people of mongoloid features, I noticed this first when i went for a movie with two of my northeastern friends it was embarrassing and frustrating to say the least and I bet dollars to donughts if they had Caucasian features the experience would have been the polar opposite, so yes the illusion of superiority should be crushed just like Europeans did in the past only then sensibility will come to the table
Would you also list the mass frenzy against people perceived to be an "enemy " based on how they look?
Example:
In 1984 following the assassination of the Indian Prime Minister, turbaned and bearded Sikhs were attacked in trains and public places in nationwide lynching orgy. This was only because the assassins of the Prime Minister were Sikhs.
But Indians lynch whom they don't like, based on religion, and race.
The second assassination of ex-Indian Prime Minister ( son of the former) by
Sri Lankan Tamil terrorists ( 1991) aided and abetted by their Indian Tamil counterparts produced no such reaction.
Neither was there any reaction on the assassination of Mr. M. K. Gandhi
" Father of the nation" by a Chitpawan Brahmin.
The 1962 war resulted in wide spread arson and rioting against the ethnic Chinese community in Calcutta even though they were Indian citizens who had been living in Calcutta for 150 years.
 

ougoah

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LOL at berserk's claim of China being homogenous. This muppet of a halfwit doesn't know the first thing he's talking about. Wannabe revolutionary Hans? Jeezus khryst mate give it a rest. Indian forums are some of the worst pits of depravity, stupidity, and misinformation. It doesn't compare to SDF even with influx of new Chinese chauvinists. The pseudo intellectual drivel from this Jai Hind... :rolleyes: lot's of empty conjecture, assumptions, and arrogant judgement and we're the hypocrites! HA

There is no substance to 100% of the crap from Berserk's mouth. It is impossible to validate silly claims based on personal conjecture. I could say there is a HUUUUUGE difference in food and attitudes between northern Shanghai and southern Shanghai. Therefore this and that... jee wiz wow. Who's to say??
 

ougoah

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This talk about Indian society wrt caste and quality of engineers is extremely off topic and been going on for pages. It's not even that interesting and caste has no freaking equivalent elsewhere in the world. Don't feel obliged to defend it. If you feel strongly about it just let it be. A few Pakistani, Chinese, and Bangladeshi opinions shouldn't be threatening your feelings of inadequacy this violently. Caste is what it is and the rest of us should consider putting a stop to the 10 pages long on and off caste talk.

FYI there may be similarities everywhere in the world. Most humans are still tribal animals after all. It's just India's preserved a great deal of that bygone feudalist attitude, thanks in no small part to its religion/s whatever you want to define it as.
 

discspinner

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Most Chinese people living in China don't think about India all that much. But Chinese living and interacting with Indians in the West, like myself, are often more opinionated for a variety of reasons. I think that is also the great paradox (not terribly difficult to explain) coloring views within the educated Indian community, the contrast between Indians living in the West, and the state of affairs in the home country.
 

kahi

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Most Chinese people living in China don't think about India all that much. But Chinese living and interacting with Indians in the West, like myself, are often more opinionated for a variety of reasons. I think that is also the great paradox (not terribly difficult to explain) coloring views within the educated Indian community, the contrast between Indians living in the West, and the state of affairs in the home country.
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." - Trump
India is the reverse of what Trump said about Mexico. They are sending their best while leaving the rapists behind.
 

eprash

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Would you also list the mass frenzy against people perceived to be an "enemy " based on how they look?
Example:
In 1984 following the assassination of the Indian Prime Minister, turbaned and bearded Sikhs were attacked in trains and public places in nationwide lynching orgy. This was only because the assassins of the Prime Minister were Sikhs.
But Indians lynch whom they don't like, based on religion, and race.
The second assassination of ex-Indian Prime Minister ( son of the former) by
Sri Lankan Tamil terrorists ( 1991) aided and abetted by their Indian Tamil counterparts produced no such reaction.
Neither was there any reaction on the assassination of Mr. M. K. Gandhi
" Father of the nation" by a Chitpawan Brahmin.
The 1962 war resulted in wide spread arson and rioting against the ethnic Chinese community in Calcutta even though they were Indian citizens who had been living in Calcutta for 150 years.
Indira Gandhi more or less had a cult following during her time, Imagine what would happen to Uyghurs across China if some Uyghur bodyguards shot Mao at the height of Cultural Revolution well that's pretty much what Sikhs had to endure

Rajiv Gandhi was admired but there was no blind worshipping involved he could be considered the Deng Xiaoping of India as such the entire political and media environment emulated his pragmatism

M.K.Ghandhi assassin was a brahmin and Indian bureaucracy was pretty much a brahmin run entity due to historic reasons and Nehru wanted harmony inside India at that time there were already regional secessionary sentiments based on ethnic (South India), Linguistic (West Bengal)and religious (Punjab) grounds the last thing he wanted to add Caste/Community into that list so the culprit was promptly hanged and decided to call it a day

Calcutta incident is not unlike what happened in South East Asia the Chinese were more successful than the locals and they in turn were jealous, When sh*t hit the fan local politicians decided to make their careers out of it
 

Xizor

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Very good analysis, as an Indian let me bring another crucial factor that's not mentioned by you, pure racism towards people of mongoloid features, I noticed this first when i went for a movie with two of my northeastern friends it was embarrassing and frustrating to say the least and I bet dollars to donughts if they had Caucasian features the experience would have been the polar opposite, so yes the illusion of superiority should be crushed just like Europeans did in the past only then sensibility will come to the table
I don't think it's racism. Indians have no problem kowtowing to Japanese or Koreans.

Just insecure and indoctrinated by whitewashed media.
That's it.
 

Bright Sword

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"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." - Trump
India is the reverse of what Trump said about Mexico. They are sending their best while leaving the rapists behind.
Not necessarily. The $25 per day motel and gas station owners with one last name are not very well educated and represent a far more sinister side of India in money laundering. The money managed by a mafia goes to fund lobbyists in the country as well as funding fascist outfits both in India and abroad. Their host country is aware but not concerned about their activities. The incumbent head of state is pretty comfortable with fascists, both at home and in India.
As between a poor illegal immigrant seeking survival, and a fascist money laundering motel owner funding savage pogroms, the choice is obvious.
 
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